The Prodigal Son

[RdJ]

31 minutes ago, Ray12614 said:

I believe in eternal security in so much as if I sin and I don't have time to repent before I die, OR, the rapture occurs, I know that I will be saved. I submitted to lusts, or other temptations designed to pull me away from the Lord, and to give the enemy some examples to accuse me with. I did not choose to walk away from my God, I through weakness fell from righteousness and though that is very bad . . . I am eternally secure in that God did not 'revoke' my salvation on the basis of my sin that I committed since ALL sin past present and future was layed upon Jesus who bore them on the cross.

HOWEVER . . . should I cross-the-line whereas sin no longer bothers me, and I choose to not submit to Jesus, and His great salvation He gave me, and go my own way living  outside of the covenant he provided for me . . . well . . . then I am on shaky ground pushing my salvation into and beyond the covenant that Jesus died to provide for me.

So . . . where is that boundary line that once we cross it we are in serious trouble from which we will never repent and be lost ? ? ?  Me personally . . . I never want to find out, and I am constantly checking myself out to make sure that I am continuing in faith with my Master Lord Jesus.

Yes . . . I know that I didn't quote an single bible verse. That is because there have been many verses quoted previously that are true and trustworthy. The thing for me is rightly dividing the truth of God's Word.

So . . . How close to the line of no return are we getting? Does OSAS allow us to live any way we want to and still consider ourselves Saved? ? ? 

Just asking . . . 

Depends on the preacher I think. I have had OSAS taught in church, but you were not allowed to live any way you want and I have seen OSAS people on forums who kept going on about grace whatever you did, but they were never living in sin themselves. They were always still married to the first person, kept the 10 commandments etc. But Joseph Prince said that it's no problem if you're addicted to porn. He wants you to get rid of it but he says you don't even have to say sorry because your future sins are forgiven. But Derek Prince, who does preach eternal security, said: fornicators don't go to heaven and then all these people repented and he kicked the unclean demons out. And a guy on a forum said he was addicted to porn 38 years, fasted and prayed and eventually gave up and God said He was well pleased, because He knew all along he couldnt do it himself and he had to confess that he died and rose with Christ, Romans 6, same as Torben Söndergaard says and then he was instantly set free. He came to set us free from sin and you have to grow up from baby to father who has overcome the wicked one.

One person online even said that an ex christian atheist who wrote a book like Richard Dawkins but used to be saved is still saved but just a bit off the road. ???? 

Edited June 19, 2024 by RdJ

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, RdJ said:

FreeGrace said:

Then don't trust in your continuing to abide to stay saved.  But every believer I've talked to about eternal security claims that those who fail to continue to believe, abide, etc, end up in hell.  What is that, other than loss of salvation.

If that were true, then there surely would be at least 1 verse that plainly says so.  And there isn't any that say that.

Yes there is. But that's of course not about the people like the Phillippians who are really saved and who God will keep. But you have to warn everyone to not backslide

If there really is, please share.  In over 2 decades of reading through the NT monthly, I've never found any verse that teaches what you believe.

1 hour ago, RdJ said:

Jude 1:22-23 NKJV‬
[22] And on some have compassion, making a distinction; [23] but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh. 

Where does this verse indicate that salvation can be lost.  No one will ever yank anyone from the LOF, so the verse isn't even talking about that.  The word "fire" in Scripture is commonly used for judgment.  God DOES judge His people and disciplines them when indicated.  Heb 12.

1 hour ago, RdJ said:

For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of [e]dignitaries. 

10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.

This describes unbelievers, not "former believers", who are still saved because Jesus gave them eternal life when they believed (John 5:24) and promised recipients of eternal life shall never perish (Jn 10:28).

1 hour ago, RdJ said:

12 These are [g]spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried [h]about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; 13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.

14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

Also describes unbelievers, those who never believed.

1 hour ago, RdJ said:

Apostates Predicted

16 These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage. 17 But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: 18 how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts. 19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.

The key here is the last 4 words:  "not having the Spirit".  The Spirit indwells EVERY believer the moment they believe in Christ.  And Jesus promised will "never depart".

1 hour ago, RdJ said:

Hebrews 6:4-8 NKJV‬
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [5] and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, [6] if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. [7] For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; [8] but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

This isn't about loss of salvation, or it would have SAID SO plainly.  It is about believers who have returned to animal sacrifice, as in the OT.  That sacrifice was a shadow of Christ's "once and for all" sacrifice on the cross.  Those believers who do that will not repent, or change their mind about it.

1 hour ago, RdJ said:

The false teachers and the apostates from the texts I just copy pasted are the soil in the thorns. Twice dead. They did believe for a while.

You are fantasizing here.  There is NOTHING about any of them "believing for a while".  They did NOT have the Spirit.  That proves they NEVER believed.  But since you are so unfamiliar with Scripture, you simply didn't know that.

But since I've SHOWN you what Scripture says, you no longer have any excuse to keep believing what you believe.

1 hour ago, RdJ said:

These texts you gave that believers shall never perish are about real believers and you can see who is who by their fruit.   

There is only one kind of believer.  A saved one, who possesses eternal life.  According to Jesus Himself.  So if you argue with this, you are arguing with Jesus' teaching.

Not a good move.

Not only John 5:24 and 10:28 teach eternal security, John 3:18 and 2 Thess 212 teach that ONLY those who NEVER believed will be condemned.

So again, you have no excuse for your un-biblical views.

[FreeGrace]

15 minutes ago, RdJ said:

Depends on the preacher I think. I have had OSAS taught in church, but you were not allowed to live any way you want

It is a total fallacy to think that OSAS is a license to sin.  That seems to be the most common argument against the doctrine.  

The Bible is full of commands for believers to "live lives worthy", and to be "holy and blameless".  

So let's just knock off the silliness of using that tired and false argument against OSAS.

Jesus was as clear as He could be about OSAS in John 5:24 and 10:28.

And Jn 3:18 and 2 Thess 2:12 are as clear as can be about who will be condemned;  which is ONLY those who NEVER believed.

Because, once a person has believed, they possess eternal life and shall never perish.

Jesus' words.  I just quote them.

[Mr. M]

14 hours ago, RdJ said:

No. You don't trust in your own ability to abide. You trust in Him.

being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

 

It's not legalism and trusting on your own flesh to be able to serve God, which it can't.

Agreed, in most respects.

I cannot understand how the Lord's instructions to his disciples to abide in Him requires trusting Him to make us abide. Every time instructions require obedience, there are those who oppose that as "trusting in our own efforts".

The fruit of abiding is clearly stated. 

John 15:

7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 

8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

Are our prayers being answered? If not, why not?

James 1:

6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 

7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 

8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

James 4:3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.

Paul taught this about prayer:

Romans 8:

26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 

27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

It is not only us praying, but the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately there are some who do not believe in groanings of the Spirit as prayer.

Therefore, we are without excuse. And if you are not praying and seeing the Lord working within your fellowship in response, don't say you are abiding by trusting Him. You are disobeying Him.

Praying always

Edited June 19, 2024 by Mr. M

[RdJ]

33 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Agreed, in most respects.

I cannot understand how the Lord's instructions to his disciples to abide in Him requires trusting Him to make us abide. Every time instructions require obedience, there are those who oppose that as "trusting in our own efforts".

The fruit of abiding is clearly stated. 

John 15:

7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 

8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

Are our prayers being answered? If not, why not?

James 1:

6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 

7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 

8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

James 4:3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.

Paul taught this about prayer:

Romans 8:

26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 

27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

It is not only us praying, but the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately there are some who do not believe in groanings of the Spirit as prayer.

Therefore, we are without excuse. And if you are not praying and seeing the Lord working within your fellowship in response, don't say you are abiding by trusting Him. You are disobeying Him.

Praying always

That's easy talking when you have a good church in your city or a car. Can I help it that God isolated me here in the middle of nowhere. And what about my mom who's 89 and is building her faith and commanding her body to walk normal? She watches a guy from the other side of the country online.

Trusting Him to make us abide. They said that in a holiness revival, Azusa I think or another one. If you doubt yourself or get accused by satan that you will not make it you trust that God can keep you or if he says that you will not get raptured: pray that you will be worthy to escape all these things and yes of course also quit sinning but give Him the glory and if you can't: get help and if there is none watch Derek Prince praying for people online. He's already in heaven but I got set free watching him.

Edited June 19, 2024 by RdJ

[Mr. M]

16 minutes ago, RdJ said:

That's easy talking when you have a good church in your city or a car. Can I help it that God isolated me here in the middle of nowhere. And what about my mom who's 89 and is building her faith and commanding her body to walk normal? She watches a guy from the other side of the country online.

Trusting Him to make us abide. They said that in a holiness revival, Azusa I think or another one. If you doubt yourself or get accused by satan that you will not make it you trust that God can keep you or if he says that you will not get raptured: pray that you will be worthy to escape all these things and yes of course also quit sinning but give Him the glory and if you can't: get help and if there is none watch Derek Prince praying for people online. He's already in heaven but I got set free watching him.

Yes, remain in prayer and you will bear fruit.

This is a means of abiding, and not being barren.

[RdJ]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

If there really is, please share.  In over 2 decades of reading through the NT monthly, I've never found any verse that teaches what you believe.

Where does this verse indicate that salvation can be lost.  No one will ever yank anyone from the LOF, so the verse isn't even talking about that.  The word "fire" in Scripture is commonly used for judgment.  God DOES judge His people and disciplines them when indicated.  Heb 12.

This describes unbelievers, not "former believers", who are still saved because Jesus gave them eternal life when they believed (John 5:24) and promised recipients of eternal life shall never perish (Jn 10:28).

Also describes unbelievers, those who never believed.

The key here is the last 4 words:  "not having the Spirit".  The Spirit indwells EVERY believer the moment they believe in Christ.  And Jesus promised will "never depart".

This isn't about loss of salvation, or it would have SAID SO plainly.  It is about believers who have returned to animal sacrifice, as in the OT.  That sacrifice was a shadow of Christ's "once and for all" sacrifice on the cross.  Those believers who do that will not repent, or change their mind about it.

Seriously? Close to burning and being cursed?

 

 

 it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [5] and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, [6] if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame

 

 

Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 

 

Edited June 19, 2024 by RdJ

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, Mr. M said:

I cannot understand how the Lord's instructions to his disciples to abide in Him requires trusting Him to make us abide. Every time instructions require obedience, there are those who oppose that as "trusting in our own efforts".

The fruit of abiding is clearly stated. 

John 15:

7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 

8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

v.4 is as clear:  Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.

The point is that unless the believer is in fellowship, according to 1 John 1, they cannot bear fruit.  

1 hour ago, Mr. M said:

Therefore, we are without excuse. And if you are not praying and seeing the Lord working within your fellowship in response, don't say you are abiding by trusting Him. You are disobeying Him.

Praying always

And praying "in the Spirit", per Jude 1:20 - But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,

[RdJ]

 

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COMMON ARGUMENTS
For Once Saved Always Saved

One arguement is John 10:28! But before we read verse 28, lets first read verse 27 “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”

Obedience is part of the condition. They follow Jesus!

John 10:28-29
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Although it is clear that NO ONE is able to pluck a child of God from the hand of Jesus Christ our Lord, the OSAS teachers turn a blind eye to other scriptures and say "THAT INCLUDES YOU, YOURSELF!"

Let me explain! Although scriptures declare that there is NONE righteous, no not one (Romans 3:10) and that ALL have sinned (Romans 3:23), we cannot simply add Jesus as being included when other scriptures clearly declare that Jesus NEVER sinned. (2 Cor. 5:21)

In like manner, when other scriptures clearly declare that a brother CAN forsake the faith, depart from God, and deny the Lord, you cannot include the individual Christian into the equation as though he is incapable of turning away from God! To do so, would be in denial of the truth and warnings of the scriptures!

Hebrews 3:12-14
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. [13] But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. [14] For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Hebrews 10:38-39
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. [39] But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

1 Tim. 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

John 15:6
If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

These scriptures above nullify the idea that you "cannot" pluck yourself from the Father's hand!

The OSAS teachers also argue, that in Ephes. 1:13, that we are "sealed" and therefore cannot ever be "unsealed"!

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephes. 1:13

Ephes. 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

As shown in Eph. 1:13 above, the Holy Spirit is the "seal"! Yet scripture declares that God can remove the Holy Spirit (1 Sam. 16:14), and also that He can “Blot out” a name from the BOOK OF LIFE (Rev. 3:5), remove the candlestick (Rev. 2:5) and spew (Gr. "emeo" - vomit) out the lukewarm Christian (Rev. 3:15-16).

1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.

In David's prayer of repentance, he pleaded with God NOT to remove the Holy Spirit from him!

Psalm 51:11
Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

The OSAS doctrine places a false security upon the unrepentant sinner who would never even consider praying such a prayer as David prayed, as they are convinced by their teachings that God would never (and could never) remove the Holy Spirit from them, no matter what they do! After all, they reason, they are "Sealed until the day of redemption"!

But if my study has been fruitful to reveal the error of the OSAS doctrine, may I encourage you to read the condition required, the debt we owe, for keeping the seal in Eph. 4:17-5:14. We must "put off" the "old man of sin" and "put on" the "new man of righteousness and holiness" (4:22-24) (and Col. chapter 3)

Don't let anyone deceive you by any means, we have a debt to pay in order to keep our salvation.

Romans 8:12-13 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

The gift of salvation was free! He freely pardons those who repent and call upon his name! There is nothing we can do to pay for our sins committed in the past to earn our salvation. BUT, to keep our salvation, we must "mortify the deeds of the body"!

Philip. 2:12 ... work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

There is a false quote I have heard from these OSAS people through the years, which has infected many church pulpits. The quote "He has already forgiven us of our past, present and future sins"! This "catch all" phrase is used to pardon the believer "in advance" of the sins committed after salvation, as though there is never a need to repent once the believer is saved, since they are "eternally secure"!

The only truth to the above quote is the term "Past" sins! There is NO scripture that mentions the "present and future sins" being attoned for, in advance, without the repentance of the believer who sins after receiving Christ as Lord!

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

The present and future sins, and their pardon, is explained in the following verses:

1 John 1:9-2:2 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
[2:1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

If the believer does NOT repent of these sins committed after salvation, the scriptures declare that they will die!

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Romans 8:13

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; [20] Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Galatians 6:8

Another verse they use is John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Please notice the part that says: "and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out". So then what happens to the person who turns away from Him as described in Hebrews 6:4-6, or in 2 Peter 2:20-22, or in Romans 11:22? Or one who denies Him as in 2 Tim. 2:12?

Or those like Hymenaeus and Alexander who "shipwrecked their faith" in 1 Timothy 1:19-20?

For the Once saved, Always saved teachers, a multitude of scriptures in this study and more, giving warning, are disregarded and explained away! As a street preacher, I have met many whom have sadly been influenced by this false doctrine. They sin openly and laugh in my face saying "Hey! I was saved once and I cannot lose my salvation!" Their teachers will have to give account for this before God. These teachers give the excuse, "They were never saved in the first place!" Yet they once believed in Christ, they confessed Jesus Christ as Lord, and were baptized into Christ. With this philosophy, how then does any man know when, and if he is truly saved? The OSAS doctrine places EVERY believer into the questionable category of asking "Is this person really saved", which can only be answered after they have completed the Christian course of life and have "Overcome" to the end, since only those who are "really" saved will endure to the end! I cover the details on this topic with many scriptures on my web page Saved by Faith which I beleive will be very helpful to clear up this question!
 

Other OSAS teachers will say "Yes, they were saved, but they will only lose their rewards in heaven!" According to 1 Cor 6:9-10, the backslider who dies of a heart attack while in the act of adultary with his neighbors wife, without repentance, will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God and will be cast into the lake of fire according to Rev. 21:8! They will lose the reward of "eternal life", not their mansion!

For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. (Heb 10:36 KJV)

Read verses 37-39 if you wrongfully nullify this verse. Those who draw back and lose their faith will perish! We MUST "believe to the saving of the soul"!

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. (Mat 24:13 KJV)

I believe that we are saved when we confess Jesus Christ as Lord, BUT then we must: "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." (Phil 2:12 KJV)

Teachers of the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine, I plead with you, do not forsake the warnings, preach them to the sheep! God will NOT hold you guiltless for the souls who perish from this error in doctrine! Warn them that their sins, their disobedience, their evil deeds, unless repented, may cost them their soul, and their blood will be upon YOUR hands!
 

WHY DID JESUS COME TO EARTH?!

“And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:4-10)

He came so that we would SIN NO MORE! John 8:11 “...Go and SIN NO MORE!”
 

FINALLY

“Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. 17They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you. 18For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? 19Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked. 20The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. 21I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. 22But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.” (Jer. 23:16-22)

WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO THE BACKSLIDER?!

IF YOU ARE BACKSLIDDEN --- REPENT!

[FreeGrace]

21 minutes ago, RdJ said:

Seriously? Close to burning and being cursed?

 

Are you unaware of 1 Cor 3:14,15?

If any man’s work shall abide which he built thereon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as through fire.

Couldn't be more clear.  Those who's works are by means of the power of the Spirit, the believer will be rewarded.  But...those works of the flesh, that displease God, shall be burned and the believer WILL suffer loss (of reward).

However, "BUT he himself shall be saved".

How many more verses are needed to convince you?