Scare tactics debt collectors use on senior citizens

[Debp]

Helpful information.   Some have large medical bills.

 

[LaMonte]

If Christian would not go into Debt like “Rom 13:8 says, or at least pay their Debts”” Psa 37:21 The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth” they would have to worry about Debt collectors.

 Borrowing violates Scripture Roman 13:8

The message of Scripture on borrowing is quite clear: Do not do it. God commands Christians to keep out of debt altogether. "Owe no man anything, but to love one another" (Romans 13:8). Strong's Exhaustive Concordance amplifies the message behind these words: "Owe to no one, no not anything, nothing at all."

 Borrowing produces bondage to Creditors Pro 22:7

The borrower is servant to the lender (Proverbs 22:7). God intends for Christians to be free from earthly entanglements in order to serve Him. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier" (II Timothy 2:4).

The very nature of borrowing is entanglement. The Hebrew words for borrowing are “abat”, to entangle, and “lavah”, to twine, to take an obligation, to unit with.

 Borrowing presumes upon the future James 4:13

Borrowing is based on the assumption that future conditions will allow us to repay the debt. God warns against such presumption.

'Go to now. ye that say, Today or tomorrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow . . (James 4:13-14). "Boast not thyself of to tomorrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth" (Proverbs 27:1).

 Borrowing demonstrates discontent with basics 1 Tim 6:8

God has promised to provide food and clothing. He wants us to be content with these things. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. (I Timothy 6:8.)

Borrowing is usually done for items other than these basic necessities. If money is borrowed for basic needs, it usually indicates that money which God provided for food and clothing was used for non-essentials. 

God warns about the consequences of coveting the power to buy whatever our heart desires. "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows" (1 Timothy 6:10).

 Borrowing damages God's reputation Phil 4:19

God has promised to provide for the needs of His children "But my God shall supply all your needs according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.” (Philippians 4:19). When Christians borrow, they are saying to the world, "God is not taking care of my needs, so I have to make up for the difference with a loan.

 

Noah---He could have borrowed money to build the ark. In fact, it would have been a shewed move for him to have a floated a loan; but it would have damage his faith and his massage. ( Gen 6-7).

Moses---He could have borrowed material to construct the tabernacle; but that would have made God the servant of the people, rather than teaching the people how to serve the true and living God. (Exodus 25-27).

David---He could have borrowed money to build the temple. Instead, he spent his lifetime gathering the material, and his son was then able to build a far more glorious structure—debt free. (Chronicles 17,21.)

Paul---He could have borrowed money for his missionary journeys. He could have even asked people to support him. Instead, he earned his support by laboring night and day. He became an example to every believer after him. (Acts 18:3;20:33-35)

Then there is Jesus---He tells us to have his mind Phil 2:5 and to walk as He walk in 1 Jn 2:6.

We see no saint ever going to the unbelieving world to borrow money in the New Testament. We do see the body taking care of the body

[LaMonte]

Money Quotes

Jesus Christ said more about money than about any other single thing because, when it comes to a man's real nature, money is of first importance. Money is an exact index to a man's true character. All through Scripture there is an intimate correlation between the development of a man's character and how he handles his money.

Jesus did not say how hard it is for the rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. He said how hard it is for those who have riches to enter the Kingdom of God.

The Church is so concern about The Antichrist but when it comes to money they are in bed with the world. They are 501c Church.

It is not persecution of the church that I fear. The church has always been able to weather persecution. My fear is love of money in the church.

The man who never has money enough to pay his debts has too much of something else.”

“A church debt is the devil’s salary.”

Beware of any work for God that you have to borrow money for…

"A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining, but wants it back the minute it begins to rain." –Mark Twain

[Debp]

@LaMonte  I don't think you understood the purpose of the video.

Some senior citizens through no fault of their own incur large medical bills.   And hospitals will send those bills to a collection agency which will try to use scare tactics against senior citizens.

 

[Neighbor]

1 hour ago, Debp said:

@LaMonte  I don't think you understood the purpose of the video.

Some senior citizens through no fault of their own incur large medical bills.   And hospitals will send those bills to a collection agency which will try to use scare tactics against senior citizens.

 

Yep!

People at any age might incur massive medical bills and end up being harrassed by some sleazy tactic collections agent. It is one thing to have to try to arrange a payment program, and another to find one's self harassed over the situation.

If one is to use, and maybe misuse, bits of Bible verses to deride someone about debt, then one might also consider God's absolute admonition against demanding unreasonable payment too. There is warning about being unreasonable in demanding repayment  found in the Bible. Plus there is tucked in the beatitudes this: 

"Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you."

Fortunately God does not demand payment in full from me for my own transgressions and sins. He covered them himself. The reconciler my Lord Jesus , having cancelled the debt on the ledger himself. His yoke does indeed ride lightly, making it a joy to be  part of His team.

 

[Neighbor]

Ha, God has an old timey lay away plan too. Reference Matthew 6:19

[Neighbor]

19 hours ago, LaMonte said:

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance amplifies the message behind these words: "Owe to no one, no not anything, nothing at all."

 

Perhaps demonstrating only that Strong's is fallible. I owe and I as the expression goes "pay forward" too. I owe all to my Lord Jesus, as has been made known to me by the Holy Spirit. None of which  has been of my own doing, nor of any meritorious effort by me. It is a gift freely given, but at great price to the giver. I have gladly and humbly received and treasured it. I owe beyond all possible understanding and yet my debt is totally cancelled. How very cool is that!

...“Therefore, the Kingdom of Heaven can be compared to a king who decided to bring his accounts up to date with servants who had borrowed money from him.  In the process, one of his debtors was brought in who owed him millions of dollars. He couldn’t pay, so his master ordered that he be sold—along with his wife, his children, and everything he owned—to pay the debt.

 “But the man fell down before his master and begged him, ‘Please, be patient with me, and I will pay it all.’ Then his master was filled with pity for him, and he released him and forgave his debt.

 “But when the man left the king, he went to a fellow servant who owed him a few thousand dollars. He grabbed him by the throat and demanded instant payment.

 “His fellow servant fell down before him and begged for a little more time. ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it,’ he pleaded.  But his creditor wouldn’t wait. He had the man arrested and put in prison until the debt could be paid in full.

 “When some of the other servants saw this, they were very upset. They went to the king and told him everything that had happened.  Then the king called in the man he had forgiven and said, ‘You evil servant! I forgave you that tremendous debt because you pleaded with me. Shouldn’t you have mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had mercy on you?’  Then the angry king sent the man to prison to be tortured until he had paid his entire debt.

“That’s what my heavenly Father will do to you if you refuse to forgive your brothers and sisters from your heart.”

[R. Hartono]

On 7/7/2024 at 9:57 PM, LaMonte said:

 

If Christian would not go into Debt like “Rom 13:8 says, or at least pay their Debts”” Psa 37:21 The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth” they would have to worry about Debt collectors.

 Borrowing violates Scripture Roman 13:8

The message of Scripture on borrowing is quite clear: Do not do it. God commands Christians to keep out of debt altogether. "Owe no man anything, but to love one another" (Romans 13:8). Strong's Exhaustive Concordance amplifies the message behind these words: "Owe to no one, no not anything, nothing at all."

 Borrowing produces bondage to Creditors Pro 22:7

The borrower is servant to the lender (Proverbs 22:7). God intends for Christians to be free from earthly entanglements in order to serve Him. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier" (II Timothy 2:4).

The very nature of borrowing is entanglement. The Hebrew words for borrowing are “abat”, to entangle, and “lavah”, to twine, to take an obligation, to unit with.

 Borrowing presumes upon the future James 4:13

Borrowing is based on the assumption that future conditions will allow us to repay the debt. God warns against such presumption.

'Go to now. ye that say, Today or tomorrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow . . (James 4:13-14). "Boast not thyself of to tomorrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth" (Proverbs 27:1).

 Borrowing demonstrates discontent with basics 1 Tim 6:8

God has promised to provide food and clothing. He wants us to be content with these things. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. (I Timothy 6:8.)

Borrowing is usually done for items other than these basic necessities. If money is borrowed for basic needs, it usually indicates that money which God provided for food and clothing was used for non-essentials. 

God warns about the consequences of coveting the power to buy whatever our heart desires. "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows" (1 Timothy 6:10).

 Borrowing damages God's reputation Phil 4:19

God has promised to provide for the needs of His children "But my God shall supply all your needs according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.” (Philippians 4:19). When Christians borrow, they are saying to the world, "God is not taking care of my needs, so I have to make up for the difference with a loan.

 

Noah---He could have borrowed money to build the ark. In fact, it would have been a shewed move for him to have a floated a loan; but it would have damage his faith and his massage. ( Gen 6-7).

Moses---He could have borrowed material to construct the tabernacle; but that would have made God the servant of the people, rather than teaching the people how to serve the true and living God. (Exodus 25-27).

David---He could have borrowed money to build the temple. Instead, he spent his lifetime gathering the material, and his son was then able to build a far more glorious structure—debt free. (Chronicles 17,21.)

Paul---He could have borrowed money for his missionary journeys. He could have even asked people to support him. Instead, he earned his support by laboring night and day. He became an example to every believer after him. (Acts 18:3;20:33-35)

Then there is Jesus---He tells us to have his mind Phil 2:5 and to walk as He walk in 1 Jn 2:6.

We see no saint ever going to the unbelieving world to borrow money in the New Testament. We do see the body taking care of the body

What do you mean the body taking care of the body, i know some female church members sell their body for food.

[LaMonte]

14 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Perhaps demonstrating only that Strong's is fallible. I owe and I as the expression goes "pay forward" too. I owe all to my Lord Jesus, as has been made known to me by the Holy Spirit. None of which  has been of my own doing, nor of any meritorious effort by me. It is a gift freely given, but at great price to the giver. I have gladly and humbly received and treasured it. I owe beyond all possible understanding and yet my debt is totally cancelled. How very cool is that!

I am not talking about the debt Jesus Christ payed for our Salvation, it's a gift. I know there exceptions like medical bills, some times. Romans 13:8 is talking about debt when you take out a loan. Romans 13:8 is to believers in Christ not to unbelievers. 

When we take out a loan such as a house, car, or just for borrowing money, we should pay the loan. I think Gods perfect will is to stay out of debt altogether. Medical bills are normally not alone.

The points I started with is just what the Scriptures teach, its just wise Council, has nothing to do with salvation.

[Debp]

4 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

What do you mean the body taking care of the body, i know some female church members sell their body for food.

I know you live in a country where a lot of people are impoverished, even hungry.   But I don't think a born again Christian woman would prostitute herself for food.   Maybe a "church goer" would....but not a born of the Spirit Christian woman.