Do I Have Your Attention Now?

[Neighbor]

2 hours ago, Michael37 said:

You should all vote on how to govern yourselves.

Hmm isn't that what the nation Israel pleaded with God for, a ruler, instead of being directly under God's rule? And didn't God honor that request? All leading to eras of various horror for that people?

All people, individually and corporately should (but won't) be on their knees praying  for God's very direct guidance  through the Holy Spirit in all that they will do, doing all to the glory of God.

Given that the USA has a republic form of governance each  person should exercise their voting "rights", yet take their guidance after prayer thinking reading upon the word of God and praying some more.

I wonder how many  voters,  even Christians, do so? And how many only think to ask  God  to bless that vote after the fact. 

[Neighbor]

6 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

Jesus stirred up controversy

My Lord Jesus was totally obedient,  obeying His Father's will, what the scriptures instructed, as well as to all authorities, "religious" and "secular". He instructed us to be so as well even on to today.

 

[other one]

22 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Hi,

Should be, Jesus is the authority. 

Most of us in my world think Jesus gave us the Constitution in spite a few of the people responsible for writing it.

[other one]

16 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Hmm isn't that what the nation Israel pleaded with God for, a ruler, instead of being directly under God's rule?

He gave the law to Israel to live by, and the constitution to us. 

[Neighbor]

Just now, other one said:

Most of us in my world think Jesus gave us the Constitution in spite a few of the people responsible for writing it.

Hi, Would you tend to agree that all government is of God?

(Thinking  upon Romans 13)

[other one]

1 minute ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, Would you tend to agree that all government is of God?

(Thinking  upon Romans 13)

Islam is not.   Nor is all of our government.  What was given to us in the beginning has been changed by the dark side to promote Lucifer/Satan.   Even from the beginning, the layout of Washington DC and the architecture of the buildings is Roman paganism.   I don't consider the free will of some of our founding fathers to be of God, except he gives us the authority to do so.  Doesn't really represent what his will is for us in the long run.  It did give the Christian citizens the freedom to make the USA a great country, but it takes Christian communities to keep it that way.

[Neighbor]

56 minutes ago, other one said:

Islam is not.   Nor is all of our government.  What was given to us in the beginning has been changed by the dark side to promote Lucifer/Satan.   Even from the beginning, the layout of Washington DC and the architecture of the buildings is Roman paganism.   I don't consider the free will of some of our founding fathers to be of God, except he gives us the authority to do so.  Doesn't really represent what his will is for us in the long run.  It did give the Christian citizens the freedom to make the USA a great country, but it takes Christian communities to keep it that way.

"Romans 13

New King James Version

Submit to Government

 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.  Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.  For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.  For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.  Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.  For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing.  Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor."

Where was Paul at the time he was inspired by God to write the above portion of his epistle to the church at Rome? What was his personal circumstance? Who was the governing authority  over him at the time? 

[Stewardofthemystery]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

While there are several camps of understanding. It seems clear to me that the antichrist is a person, a flesh and blood human, of a type that there are many of  declared to be little antichrists among us even now.

There are several camps, but only one True camp.  There are several schools of education, but there is NO Higher education than being taught from above by the Head, which is Christ.

Our battle is not against “flesh and blood men”, but spiritual wickedness. That is also why the weapons of our warfare are not carnal weapons.

Ephesians 6:12

For we wrestle not against “flesh and blood,” but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

[other one]

18 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

and our authority is the constitution of the USA.  We have people in our own government who are not following this command.  It is fundamentally us that elect these people, so we should not blame God for our shortcomings.  He gave us the free will to do so, but it isn't necessarily what he would have us do.  We pray for his will to be done here on earth as it is in Heaven, but he does not demand it at the present time.

[Neighbor]

11 minutes ago, other one said:

but he does not demand it at the present time.

His commands are not demands? Oh I think they are! Violating them results eventually in a turning over to one's own strong delusion. I do not see where God has said or had  any human write under His inspiration exceptions to what He had Paul write to  the church at Rome while they were under  a most horrendous ruler.

God does, it seems to me and is declared as well in the Bible, use even that which is intended by many as evil  to instead to do good for those that believe on Jesus as their Lord, God and personal savior.