The false Christians with the Jesus tattoos and cross necklaces

[RealReligionofPeace]

9 hours ago, Michael37 said:

What is your opinion of clerical collars as a fashion accessory?

As long as they don't wear it in vain. People who do not actually care about the faith but call themselves "Christians" are not to wear such things for they mislead others and lie to the holy spirit as Ananias and Sapphira did. But people who wear a Christian cross but condone or even engage in homosexuality, heresy, fornication, adultery, abortion, contraception(Really not here to discuss this, so don't comment, I personally like to believe what every single church preached before 1930; but I'm not here to discuss this), masturbation, pornography, lying, stealing, following the heart's evil ways, etc; they are heaping judgement upon themselves for they mislead others. I pray for these people.

[RealReligionofPeace]

Also note that tattoos were popularized in the 70s, coinciding with the sexual revolution(not meant to be an argument), and that before that, tattoos were mostly found among sailors(mostly due to superstition - which God hates) and prisoners.  But I'm not here to make any argument. Personally, I would never get myself tatted, you should not make a Christian violate his conscience. Also around the same time, abortion was declared a 'human right' by a bunch of libtard justices.

 

Again this is just history, it's no argument

[RealReligionofPeace]

3 hours ago, farouk said:

@Jayne My wife and I talked to a young lady with the wording of John 3.16 tattooed on her wrist; she seemed to radiate a quiet confidence and joy.

(It just wouldn't make sense to say that the moment the tattoo machine made her a tattooed lady she thus supposedly became lukewarm.)

I was not going to discuss those people, they are a plague too, but I think that people who mark themselves with the lord but do not take his word seriously are lying with their skin.

[Your closest friendnt]

1 minute ago, RealReligionofPeace said:

Think about how many people wear cross necklaces and have tattoos of Jesus, then look at their works. There are porn actress who wear cross necklaces - even atheists who wear them(Lance Armstrong). What am saying is not that these people should not get tattoos or wear necklaces - I am just saying that by wearing these Christian symbols in vain they are heaping judgement upon themselves. Most of these people are not true saved Christians - just look at America right now, porn imagery is as common as air molecules, women are more promiscuous than ever, homosexuality is worshiped, etc. You ever heard of sturgeon's law - 90% crud?

You are commending at what you observed and you do not like them and do not want them to be representatives of your group. And they are not.

They have their reasons to do that and they may or may not believe and that we do not know. But it also give a strong message that Jesus Christ died for all the people including the people who do and follow these cultures. 

The message is that they do not have to renounced their faith in Jesus Christ if they happened to be involved that they can still believe. 

This does not mean this what all believers should do but that's what they do. And no one can tell them what Jesus is not telling them. That if you want to believe you must do this and that. Which it has relevance to be accepted in some believers group who they are in continuing repentance. 

But they do not represent your group and for that matter you are not in a position to judge them or comment about them only in the form that your group does not identify with this behavior. That it would be fair to them. 

On the other hand it shows the glory and the power of Jesus Christ and his unmerited grace that no one can take from him anymore who is under the power of his Atonement. 

They are saved in the same way as everyone else as believers in Jesus Christ by faith in him alone.

And remember that they not only man and his passions alone but they are evil spirits and devils on earth that may have oppressed them and they are afflicted and what you are witnessing is the result of their affliction. 

Have Mercy on them and do not judge their faith in Jesus Christ and let them believe because the only one who is telling them that they are not worthy to believe is the Devil. Please do not do his job. 

[BK1110]

26 minutes ago, farouk said:

Hi @BK1110 ; a while ago you said: "Paul himself, the one who openly rebuked Peter when Peter was wavering towards the Jews who were insisting on circumcision, actually had Timothy circumcised! Despite being the one who most vehemently opposed the circumcision crowd, and went to great lengths in his teachings and letters to tell people that they were no longer under that commandments. Why? He did it specifically to remove anything that could have caused the Jews to reject them off-hand."

I think this was in the context also of a discussion of tattoos, and motives for Christians sometimes getting them.

I don't think it's a sign of lukewarmness, as suggested.

It could be said that, using a similar argument as presumably behind Paul's circumcising of Timothy, some Christians might have thought a great deal about it an wanted to use it to open doors for the Gospel; Paul himself was among the most heartily motivated and dedicated of believers that there have even been, right?

Yes I agree. If in a culture you are trying to reach a tattoo is taboo and would hinder your Gospel work, you should probably not get one. On the other hand, if you are trying to reach some tribe or village in which tattoos are required (depending on the reasons why), that might be a situation to strongly consider getting one.

Just in short, the Biblical texts people use when trying to claim it's definitely always a clear sin to get any tattoo for any reason are old testament Mosaic laws. In order for those passages to still apply, they have to be grounded on God's created order (like homosexuality always being against God's created order from the beginning in Genesis) rather than just being part of the Mosaic law given to Israel to set them apart from surrounding pagan nations and serve as their "guardians and managers" until Christ's redemptive work was completed. I have never seen anyone make a convincing case against tattoos by that standard.

[NConly]

11 minutes ago, farouk said:

Hi @NConly Thanks for the 'like' just now. I think men and women who use a tattoo parlor for acquiring a faith-based design and emerge with confidence and joy from their session may well be very wholehearted Christians desiring to testify to others. (I don't get the lukewarmness thing, do you?)

I can find only one place in scripture where the tattoo is described as wrong. I have seen many with the wrong type tat. Other than than one description it is not said to be wrong that I can find.  As to your post about tats and body builders I thing you were on track with your thoughts. The tat may change how a particular muscle looks under light. Some even go so far to have fake muscle implants so the muscle looks perfect and well worked out.

[Jayne]

3 hours ago, RealReligionofPeace said:

Think about how many people wear cross necklaces and have tattoos of Jesus, then look at their works. There are porn actress who wear cross necklaces - even atheists who wear them(Lance Armstrong). What am saying is not that these people should not get tattoos or wear necklaces - I am just saying that by wearing these Christian symbols in vain they are heaping judgement upon themselves. Most of these people are not true saved Christians - just look at America right now, porn imagery is as common as air molecules, women are more promiscuous than ever, homosexuality is worshiped, etc. You ever heard of sturgeon's law - 90% crud?

Yes, Sturgeon's law prevails.

Just one question.  You said, "women are more promiscuous than ever".  Doesn't that mean men are more promiscuous than ever, too?  

[Tristen]

9 hours ago, farouk said:

Hi @Tristen A while ago you said:

"I have noticed that people with tattoos often have other random people approach them to ask about their tats. In the context of a faith-based tattoo, that can lead to a non-Christian opening the door to a discussion about the Gospel. I can therefore see some merit in that motive."

So it really begs the question, Why would it identify someone as lukewarm? as the OP seems to claim.

It certainly raises "the question" (Begging the Question is a logic fallacy).

Another logic fallacy is an Appeal to Motive. Who are we to presume to judge what is in the heart of another?

Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

Why are we wasting time speculating about things that only God knows?

Instead:

Philippians 2:12
... work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

[RealReligionofPeace]

On 7/22/2024 at 8:21 PM, Jayne said:

Yes, Sturgeon's law prevails.

Just one question.  You said, "women are more promiscuous than ever".  Doesn't that mean men are more promiscuous than ever, too?  

no, men are more lonelier than ever.

[Jayne]

1 minute ago, RealReligionofPeace said:

no, men are more lonelier than ever.

Oh, I see.  Now I understand who I am talking to.

Good day.