Bottomless Pit

[RV_Wizard]

21 hours ago, tatwo said:

Probably not FreeGrace...it was created and therefor cannot be eternal.

The angels were created and are eternal.  You were created as an eternal being. Satan was as well.  Eternal means without end, not necessarily without a beginning.

[FreeGrace]

11 hours ago, Diamond said:

I do not know. All I know for sure is that God is a God of Justice. People are going to get exactly, precisely what they deserve. The universe shows us how exact and precise God is. 

The Bible tells us specifically what all unbelievers will get, following their judgment at the Great White Throne.  They will be cast into the Lake of Fire, also called the Second Death and along with the beast, false prophet, the devil and all his angels, will "be tormented day and night for ever and ever".

[FreeGrace]

11 hours ago, Diamond said:

FreeGrace said:

 He knows everything, per 1 John 3:20.

All is a very strong word in the Bible. All means all, everything in creation (universe) past, present and future.  Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. " Even science talks about this with the Block Universe Theory. We are stuck in the present but God does not seem to be. He declares the end from the beginning. Isaiah 46:10

Amen!  In fact, God is timeless.  When He created the universe, He created time.

11 hours ago, Diamond said:

Isaiah 55:11 God's Word will not return void, but will accomplish what God desires and achieve the purpose for which His Word was sent.

I love that verse!

11 hours ago, Diamond said:

Yet there are many things God can not do. For example He can not lie, cheat, steal or be unfaithful to Himself. He is always true to Himself. 

Right.  In a nutshell, God cannot be inconsistent with His own character.  That's not a limitation.  And I thank God for that.

[FreeGrace]

12 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

FreeGrace said:

Why are you telling me how to avoid anything?

Why would you presume that my post is directed to you exclusively?

Easy.  You were addressing me.  Why wouldn't I think that you weren't speaking to me?  And your response doesn't answer my question.

12 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

  I would have sent a private message had that been the case.

Well, that's a weird way to think.  When a poster responds to another post, that means it is directed to that other poster.  Everyone knows that.

12 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

I post for the reader, not the individual.

Well, who knew that.  When my posts are for the benefit of other readers, I phrase my post generally.  Your post didn't do that.

12 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

  Why do you think I spend time refuting claims that are non Biblical?

I don't think that.  I've not seen you refute anything.  You certainly disagree with my understanding of Gen 1:2, but you haven't refuted any of it.  In fact, all the facts are on my side, which support my understanding of the verse.

All you've shown are a majority of English translations, and you seem to mock what the Hebrew says, esp since I have shown how those same 2 words are used in EVERY other verse in the OT, all of which describe the total destruction of the land.

12 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

  I have no delusion that you or others will open their minds to my words. 

If you mean 'accept', you are correct.  I certainly understand your words, but I reject them because they aren't supported by Scripture.

12 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

It's so that others who read this have both sides of the question.

Then write your posts generically.  I sometimes even address "the readers of this thread" to make sure it's for them.

12 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

Things not specifically addressed in the Bible are open to opinion and personal interpretation.

So far, we haven't discussed those things.  What I've been discussing is specifically addressed in the Bible.

12 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

  That which IS specifically addressed has one right answer; what the Scripture says.

Exactly!!  And I've proven by comparing other verses with the SAME Hebrew words to show what they mean and how they are used.

[FreeGrace]

14 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

The angels were created and are eternal.  You were created as an eternal being. Satan was as well.  Eternal means without end, not necessarily without a beginning.

Yes, that is why translators use either "everlasting" or "eternal" interchangeably.  

It is God alone who has no beginning or ending.  All created beings have a beginning.

[tatwo]

2 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

The angels were created and are eternal.  You were created as an eternal being. Satan was as well.  Eternal means without end, not necessarily without a beginning.

Interesting...I don't think I agree...simply because "eternal" means without beginning and without end.

Take the Spirit of God for example...before anything was "created" there was Him...He is eternal. Therefore "anything" that is created will end...take the heavens and the earth for instance.

Tatwo...:)

[Cntrysner]

Would I be correct to say that those who have been born again were and still are the first begotten thus qualify to receive the inheritance of the Father who placed us in His eternal Son? Where we chosen before the foundation (before creation) of the world? 

[FreeGrace]

3 hours ago, tatwo said:

Interesting...I don't think I agree...simply because "eternal" means without beginning and without end.

Take the Spirit of God for example...before anything was "created" there was Him...He is eternal. Therefore "anything" that is created will end...take the heavens and the earth for instance.

Tatwo...:)

Actually, the present earth will "melt" (2 Pet 3:12) but become a "new earth", kinda like resurrection.  Which will never end.  Just as our resurrection bodies will never cease to exist.

Translators use "everlasting" and "eternal" for the same Greek word.

Yes, only God has no beginning or end.  Every angel and human does have a beginning but no end.

[tatwo]

41 minutes ago, Cntrysner said:

Would I be correct to say that those who have been born again were and still are the first begotten thus qualify to receive the inheritance of the Father who placed us in His eternal Son? Where we chosen before the foundation (before creation) of the world? 

Well…you’re close as I see it…and they’re great questions…here’s my response.

Yahshua is both the “only begotten” Son of God…and the “firstborn” among many brethren.

For those of us who have been “born again”…meaning that we have received the eternal life of Holy Spirit of the Lord Yahshua into our human spirit…we qualify to receive the inheritance of the Father who placed us in Christ. Being formed in Christ's image is the process of spiritual growth and maturity from there.

Yes we were chosen in Christ “before the foundation of the world” as seen in Ephesians 2:10 “For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.”

Most folks seem to have a difficult time with the “Eternal Life” concept as you can see briefly here on this forum. The inheritance from the Father is “Eternal Life.”

Tatwo...:)

[FreeGrace]

44 minutes ago, Cntrysner said:

Would I be correct to say that those who have been born again were and still are the first begotten thus qualify to receive the inheritance of the Father who placed us in His eternal Son?

In 1 Cor 15:23, 2 Thess 2:13 and James 1:18, believers are said to be "firstfruits" (plural), and Rom 11:16 refers to Jesus Christ as "firstfruit" (singular).

44 minutes ago, Cntrysner said:

Where we chosen before the foundation (before creation) of the world? 

Yes.  The "us" in Eph 1:4 is defined in v.19 as "us who believe", so v.4 says "for God chose believers (who are) in Him, before the foundation of the world, to be (purpose clause) to be holy and blameless before Him".

This means that God chose every believer for service:  to be holy and blameless.