Is God Still Speaking Thru Prophets Today to Steer the Nations?

[tatwo]

2 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

You believe we have modern day prophets that receive new revelation directly from God, in other words: these modern day prophets you claim to exist have received Theopneustos words.

Did you study Ephesians 4…or Revelation 4, 6, or 15? It would benefit any constructive conversation we may share concerning the role of “modern prophet.”

What do you think of the idea that we see if we can come to an agreement as to the definition of a “modern prophet” as you state it…prior to any further discussion…if possible?

If you have your definition and I have mine and they can not connect…then in all reality I could never accommodate a response to your statements or questions.

What about the four living creatures...these are the very essence of the prophetic?

2 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

Name them so that they and the words they claim to be Theopneustos can be tested. 

“Theopneustos”…God-breathed, inspired by God, due to the inspiration of God.

"For the "word of God is living and active" and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart." Hebrews 4:12 NASB  

This brief but powerful description of the "Word of God or God's Word" being "living and active" is explained in such a fashion as to reveal to us through words like "piercing soul and spirit...joints and marrow...judge the thoughts and intentions of a mans heart"...and speaks of a deeply intimate relationship with the "Word of God" that is alive as God.

Our God is alive...Given the fact that the living God breathes His own…“Word”…one would have to be God to perform your test…no? Or…a mature discerning Holy Spirit filled “son of God”…called to such a role right?

Tatwo…:)

[tatwo]

22 hours ago, enoob57 said:

I highly suggest you find out what God thinks and that is only found within Scripture using a proper hermeneutic... And as I have already shown God thinks His Scripture thoroughly furnishes us with all we need in this present period of the Church age...

There were some Jews who believed like you...here is what was recorded as the Lords admonition to them.

"You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent.  (39)  "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;  (40)  and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life." John 5:38-40 NASB

Tatwo...:)

[enoob57]

3 minutes ago, tatwo said:

There were some Jews who believed like you...here is what was recorded as the Lords admonition to them.

"You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent.  (39)  "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;  (40)  and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life." John 5:38-40 NASB

Tatwo...:)

So you could not make a defense of the written material so you reverted to personal attack... very well...

[BornAgain490]

28 minutes ago, tatwo said:

Did you study Ephesians 4…or Revelation 4, 6, or 15? It would benefit any constructive conversation we may share concerning the role of “modern prophet.”

What do you think of the idea that we see if we can come to an agreement as to the definition of a “modern prophet” as you state it…prior to any further discussion…if possible?

If you have your definition and I have mine and they can not connect…then in all reality I could never accommodate a response to your statements or questions.

What about the four living creatures...these are the very essence of the prophetic?

“Theopneustos”…God-breathed, inspired by God, due to the inspiration of God.

"For the "word of God is living and active" and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart." Hebrews 4:12 NASB  

This brief but powerful description of the "Word of God or God's Word" being "living and active" is explained in such a fashion as to reveal to us through words like "piercing soul and spirit...joints and marrow...judge the thoughts and intentions of a mans heart"...and speaks of a deeply intimate relationship with the "Word of God" that is alive as God.

Our God is alive...Given the fact that the living God breathes His own…“Word”…one would have to be God to perform your test…no? Or…a mature discerning Holy Spirit filled “son of God”…called to such a role right?

Tatwo…:)

Okay. Think about the prophets of the OT, e.g., Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, et al. Those prophets all heard directly from God and wrote what God had communicated to them.  Accordingly, these prophets wrote Theopneustos words, words which we can test against what has come to pass.   A modern prophet, or, to say it differently: a prophet alive today, or that lived after the death of the 1st century apostles,  should be no different.  We would need to identify them and do as God commanded: test their words to see whether they are speaking for and from God. 

Edited September 20, 2024 by BornAgain490

[tatwo]

On 9/20/2024 at 12:04 PM, BornAgain490 said:

Okay. Think about the prophets of the OT, e.g., Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, et al. Those prophets all heard directly from God and wrote what God had communicated to them.  Accordingly, these prophets wrote Theopneustos words, words which we can test against what has come to pass.

Agreed and I would add…that which is “happening now…and what is yet…to come to pass.” Daniel for example wrote of the end of the age in his prophecies…future things to his day and ours…that have not been revealed.

The Spirit of God inspired them and these guys spoke it, obeyed and recorded it. Then at the appointed time…these things came to pass. Another important thing to note is…these men did not have the “Holy Spirit” indwelling them [out pouring on Pentecost] so God spoke to them on earth in various ways. [Hebrews 1:1-2]

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 9/20/2024 at 12:04 PM, BornAgain490 said:

A modern prophet, or, to say it differently: a prophet alive today, or that lived after the death of the 1st century apostles,  should be no different.

While the author of the “Theopneustos words” in both Testaments is the same God…there are differences in regard to the men…most importantly…“today’s prophets” shall we agree to call them…now have the eternal “Holy Spirit indwelling their spirits”…making “them” a living temple of God, the dwelling place of God…so that is a “natural to spiritual, flesh to Spirit” change…God speaks to today’s prophets...in His Son…the "Spirit of Christ." [Hebrews 1:1-2]

Also…the prophets of antiquity in Israel prophesied to a “visible natural earthly” kingdom or nation…today’s prophets prophesy to an “invisible spiritual heavenly” Kingdom or nation.

We can see that reference again…in Hebrews 12:25…”See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven.”

So I see...that “how” the respective prophets received their “Theopneustos words”….and “who” they prophesy to…has changed greatly. The Old Testament prophets prophesied to a “natural man on earth” [Israel] and the New Testament [today’s prophets] prophets…prophesy to the “the spirits of the righteous made perfect”…Hebrews 12:23…the spiritual Body of Christ…a “Spirit Man in the heavenlies.”

Tatwo...:)

[BornAgain490]

1 minute ago, tatwo said:

Agreed and I would add…that which is “happening now…and what is yet…to come to pass.” Daniel for example wrote of the end of the age in his prophecies…future things to his day and ours…that have not been revealed.

The Spirit of God inspired them and these guys spoke it, obeyed and recorded it. Then at the appointed time…these things came to pass. Another important thing to note is…these men did not have the “Holy Spirit” indwelling them [out pouring on Pentecost] so God spoke to them on earth in various ways. [Hebrews 1:1-2]

Tatwo...:)

We can't say with any degree of certainty that the prophets of God didn't have the indwelling Holy Spirit.  What we can say with certainty is that the Holy Spirit began to indwell masses of people at Pentecost, but individuals in the OT had the indwelling Spirit, namely: Numbers 14:24 says of Caleb, “My servant Caleb, because he has a different Spirit and has followed me fully, I will bring into this land.” And Numbers 27: 18 says, “And the Lord said to Moses, ‘Take Joshua the son of Nun, in whom is the spirit, and lay your hand upon him.’”  Also, see, Psalm of David, 139:7–10, “Whither shall I go from thy Spirit? Or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend to heaven, thou art there! If I make my bed in Sheol, thou art there! If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there thy hand shall lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.”

Addionslly, in John 3:10, when Jesus speaks to Nico about needing the Holy Spirit to be born again, Jesus says, “Are you a teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand this?” 

It appears, therefore, that faithful men in the OT who trusted in the promises of God and in the coming Redeemer all had the indwelling Holy Spirit.  Otherwise they'd not have been able to enter the kingdom. 

[tatwo]

5 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

We can't say with any degree of certainty that the prophets of God didn't have the indwelling Holy Spirit. 

That to which I refer is this...emphasis mine.

“and He said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. "You are witnesses of these things. "And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.” (Luke 24:46-49 NASB)

The Lord appearing to His disciples after His resurrection...just prior to His ascension this had happened to no one prior to Pentecost...save the Lord Yahshua Himself. Here He is telling them that indwelling of the Holy Spirit will clothe them with power...from on high...that power is the eternal life of the Lord Himself.

Tatwo...:) 

[BornAgain490]

16 minutes ago, tatwo said:

While the author of the “Theopneustos words” in both Testaments is the same God…there are differences in regard to the men…most importantly…“today’s prophets” shall we agree to call them…now have the eternal “Holy Spirit indwelling their spirits”…making “them” a living temple of God, the dwelling place of God…so that is a “natural to spiritual, flesh to Spirit” change…God speaks to today’s prophets...in His Son…the "Spirit of Christ." [Hebrews 1:1-2]

Also…the prophets of antiquity in Israel prophesied to a “visible natural earthly” kingdom or nation…today’s prophets prophesy to an “invisible spiritual heavenly” Kingdom or nation.

We can see that reference again…in Hebrews 12:25…”See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven.”

So I see...that “how” the respective prophets received their “Theopneustos words”….and “who” they prophesy to…has changed greatly. The Old Testament prophets prophesied to a “natural man on earth” [Israel] and the New Testament [today’s prophets] prophets…prophesy to the “the spirits of the righteous made perfect”…Hebrews 12:23…the spiritual Body of Christ…a “Spirit Man in the heavenlies.”

Tatwo...:)

True, the OT prophets were speaking for God to the people of Israel. But you must remember why God chose Israel in the first place. 

God chose Israel to be a priestly nation, separate and distinct from all other nations, who were tasked by God to be a light to the nations tobdraw the nations to the true light, which was God. When Israel continued to faile that task,  and continued in their disobedience,  God used the prophets to warn Israel that God would scatter them if they continued in their idolatry and disobedience, which is what happened. 

God was giving His words to the prophets to tell Israel to do what God had commanded them to do, and to believe that God was going to send His Annointed One to establish His kingdom from the throne of David. 

When Christ arrived, all the prophecies of the OT regarding the Messiah were fulfilled, and the fruition of those prophecies not yet fulfilled at Jesus's 2d coming. 

We have all the prophecies of God. 

What new prophecies can you point to that are not mentioned in the Bible, but have been announced by others, that have come to pass or are prophesied to come?  And kindly name them who have made those non-biblical prophecies? 

[BornAgain490]

31 minutes ago, tatwo said:

While the author of the “Theopneustos words” in both Testaments is the same God…there are differences in regard to the men…most importantly…“today’s prophets” shall we agree to call them…now have the eternal “Holy Spirit indwelling their spirits”…making “them” a living temple of God, the dwelling place of God…so that is a “natural to spiritual, flesh to Spirit” change…God speaks to today’s prophets...in His Son…the "Spirit of Christ." [Hebrews 1:1-2]

Also…the prophets of antiquity in Israel prophesied to a “visible natural earthly” kingdom or nation…today’s prophets prophesy to an “invisible spiritual heavenly” Kingdom or nation.

We can see that reference again…in Hebrews 12:25…”See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven.”

So I see...that “how” the respective prophets received their “Theopneustos words”….and “who” they prophesy to…has changed greatly. The Old Testament prophets prophesied to a “natural man on earth” [Israel] and the New Testament [today’s prophets] prophets…prophesy to the “the spirits of the righteous made perfect”…Hebrews 12:23…the spiritual Body of Christ…a “Spirit Man in the heavenlies.”

Tatwo...:)

True, the OT prophets were speaking for God to the people of Israel. But you must remember why God chose Israel in the first place. 

God chose Israel to be a priestly nation, separate and distinct from all other nations, who were tasked by God to be a light to the nations to draw the nations to the true light, which was God. When Israel continued to fail that task,  and continued in their disobedience,  God used the prophets to warn Israel that God would scatter them if they continued in their idolatry and disobedience, which is what happened. 

God was giving His words to the prophets to tell Israel to do what God had commanded them to do, and to believe that God was going to send His Annointed One (Christ) to establish His kingdom from the throne of David. 

When Christ arrived, all the prophecies of the OT regarding the Messiah first coming were fulfilled; the fruition of the prophecies of Messiah that are not yet fulfilled, will be fulfilled at Jesus's 2d coming. 

We have all the prophecies of God in the Bible. 

What new prophecies can you point to that are not mentioned in the Bible, but have been announced by others, that have come to pass or are prophesied to come?  And kindly name them who have made those non-biblical prophecies?