Are you a fundamentalist?

[missmuffet]

I am a fundamentalist. This is what a fundamentalist believes.

1) The Bible is literally true. Associated with this tenet is the belief that the Bible is inerrant, that is, without error and free from all contradictions.

2) The virgin birth and deity of Christ. Fundamentalists believe that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary and conceived by the Holy Spirit and that He was and is the Son of God, fully human and fully divine.

3) The substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ on the cross. Fundamentalism teaches that salvation is obtained only through God’s grace and human faith in Christ’s crucifixion for the sins of mankind.

4) The bodily resurrection of Jesus. On the third day after His crucifixion, Jesus rose from the grave and now sits at the right hand of God the Father.

5) The authenticity of Jesus’ miracles as recorded in Scripture and the literal, pre-millennial second coming of Christ to earth.
 

Are you a fundamentalist?

[BornAgain490]

5 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I am a fundamentalist. This is what a fundamentalist believes.

1) The Bible is literally true. Associated with this tenet is the belief that the Bible is inerrant, that is, without error and free from all contradictions.

2) The virgin birth and deity of Christ. Fundamentalists believe that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary and conceived by the Holy Spirit and that He was and is the Son of God, fully human and fully divine.

3) The substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ on the cross. Fundamentalism teaches that salvation is obtained only through God’s grace and human faith in Christ’s crucifixion for the sins of mankind.

4) The bodily resurrection of Jesus. On the third day after His crucifixion, Jesus rose from the grave and now sits at the right hand of God the Father.

5) The authenticity of Jesus’ miracles as recorded in Scripture and the literal, pre-millennial second coming of Christ to earth.
 

Are you a fundamentalist?

Which Bible? There's well over 900 English versions. Then there's the Latin Vulgate, Luther's German translation, et al. 

[missmuffet]

30 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Which Bible? There's well over 900 English versions. Then there's the Latin Vulgate, Luther's German translation, et al. 

That is not the point. You did not answer the question. I posted 5 beliefs for the fundamentalist. Do you believe those 5 beliefs for the fundamentalist? Yes or No

[BornAgain490]

31 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

That is not the point. You did not answer the question. I posted 5 beliefs for the fundamentalist. Do you believe those 5 beliefs for the fundamentalist? Yes or No

As to #1: the English Bible is a translation of the ancient languages that the prophets and NT writers used to communicate the "God breathed" word they'd been given to write. I believe that every God-breathed word was written just as God intended it to he written.  There is, however, the issue of scribal errors, namely: those times when scribes who beheld the autographs, or first edition copy of an autograph, who made either a slight mistake with the stroke of his quill, or overlooked a word or phrase or complete sentence.  Regardless of the scribes errors,, aditiond or ommissions, I believe we have the preserved word of God in English and many other languages. 

As to #2, 3, and 4, I am yea, yea, yea. 

As to #5, I disagree with it in part, because by implication you're saying anyone who holds a post-millenial or a-millenial eschatology position are not fundamentally Christian.  That's a problem, because there are many evangelical brothers and sisters in Christ who are postmill and amill. 

[Jayne]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

Are you a fundamentalist?

missmuffett - I didn't disagree with any of your statements.  I believe them, too.  There are some fundamentals of the Christian faith.  You listed some of them.

But I think you and I have different usages of the word "fundamentalist".

I associate that term with fundamentalist churches I know of which I do not believe they practice the entire truth.

The fundamentalist churches that I know of have that term "Fundamentalist" in their church name.  Such as - and I am making this up - "Sunshine Grove Fundamentalist Baptist Church".

And they have some practices that I cannot live with:

[1]  King James ONLY - to a fault.  All other Bibles are "corrupt" and lead to hell. 

[2]  Gross legalism - women can't wear pants, the church decides what movies you can watch, no dating, purity ring ceremonies, ALL women must submit to ALL men, women cannot teach any male above the age of 8,  no birth control - couples must have a "quiver full" of children, and these rules take equal status with the Bible.

[3]  Spiritual abuse = There is much shame and fear taught in these churches.  Not a proper shame-facedness, but a cruel and intentional pointing of the finger at the sins of church members, but never the staff members.  The Bible is not used to preach the gospel, but to manipulate and control the congregation.

[4]  The preachers are obsessed with telling everyone what they are doing wrong and seemingly have no interest in people's salvation.  The preachers alone read their Bibles - if at all.  The congregants just, as some have said, "wait for him to tell us what it says."  I've seen that with my own eyes.

I guess I have such an aversion to these churches and their horrible teachings that the word "fundamentalist" makes me nervous.

Yes, there are definitely fundamentals of the faith by which all Christians must learn and embrace.

But the "fundamentalist" churches don't usually practice them as much as they practice their own man-made rules.

 

 

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Are you a fundamentalist?

I am a Hebrews 6 Fundamentalist.

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

I am a Hebrews 6 Fundamentalist.

I don't know what a Hebrew 6 fundamentalist is. Do you literally believe in the 5 statements that is posted for the beliefs for the fundamentalist?

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, Jayne said:

missmuffett - I didn't disagree with any of your statements.  I believe them, too.  There are some fundamentals of the Christian faith.  You listed some of them.

But I think you and I have different usages of the word "fundamentalist".

I associate that term with fundamentalist churches I know of which I do not believe they practice the entire truth.

The fundamentalist churches that I know of have that term "Fundamentalist" in their church name.  Such as - and I am making this up - "Sunshine Grove Fundamentalist Baptist Church".

And they have some practices that I cannot live with:

[1]  King James ONLY - to a fault.  All other Bibles are "corrupt" and lead to hell. 

[2]  Gross legalism - women can't wear pants, the church decides what movies you can watch, no dating, purity ring ceremonies, ALL women must submit to ALL men, women cannot teach any male above the age of 8,  no birth control - couples must have a "quiver full" of children, and these rules take equal status with the Bible.

[3]  Spiritual abuse = There is much shame and fear taught in these churches.  Not a proper shame-facedness, but a cruel and intentional pointing of the finger at the sins of church members, but never the staff members.  The Bible is not used to preach the gospel, but to manipulate and control the congregation.

[4]  The preachers are obsessed with telling everyone what they are doing wrong and seemingly have no interest in people's salvation.  The preachers alone read their Bibles - if at all.  The congregants just, as some have said, "wait for him to tell us what it says."  I've seen that with my own eyes.

I guess I have such an aversion to these churches and their horrible teachings that the word "fundamentalist" makes me nervous.

Yes, there are definitely fundamentals of the faith by which all Christians must learn and embrace.

But the "fundamentalist" churches don't usually practice them as much as they practice their own man-made rules.

 

 

This has nothing at all to do with a Church. I am asking if you believe in the 5 statements that I posted. If you do then you are a fundamentalist.

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, NConly said:

I am and the kjv is my choice.

That is true. But this has nothing to do about which Bible interpretation you use or believe in. It is only about the 5 statements which are in regard to the fundamentalist belief. You either believe in the 5 statements or you do not.

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, BornAgain490 said:

As to #1: the English Bible is a translation of the ancient languages that the prophets and NT writers used to communicate the "God breathed" word they'd been given to write. I believe that every God-breathed word was written just as God intended it to he written.  There is, however, the issue of scribal errors, namely: those times when scribes who beheld the autographs, or first edition copy of an autograph, who made either a slight mistake with the stroke of his quill, or overlooked a word or phrase or complete sentence.  Regardless of the scribes errors,, aditiond or ommissions, I believe we have the preserved word of God in English and many other languages. 

As to #2, 3, and 4, I am yea, yea, yea. 

As to #5, I disagree with it in part, because by implication you're saying anyone who holds a post-millenial or a-millenial eschatology position are not fundamentally Christian.  That's a problem, because there are many evangelical brothers and sisters in Christ who are postmill and amill. 

So you do not truly believe in the 5 statements. Is that what you are saying?