What is the charismatic movement?

[Marathoner]

26 minutes ago, NConly said:

when I search him some say he is, others say he is inspirational and some say prosperity I guess one can pick which he fits into.

Osteen is a prosperity type.

[NConly]

10 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Osteen is a prosperity type.

I made my pick and you made your pick so all is good.

[farouk]

Just now, NConly said:

I made my pick and you made your pick so all is good.

I think key questions in the subject are: Is Scripture truly sufficient? is indeed the Person - the work - of Christ sufficient?

If these are to be obscured by piling on experience and opinion, then it's very highly problematic.

[Your closest friendnt]

 

  On 10/18/2024 at 5:03 PM, NConly said:

From what I have seen and heard they also say there is more than one way to be saved. which contradicts the Bible.

@NConly  This is what you are saying about (they also say there is more than one way to be saved). The they in your post is referring to more than one people. And your comments said both of them are in agreement that there is more than one way to be saved. 

And this is your comment "that it contradicts the Bible. 

There to statements that needs to be proven from you. 

The onus is on you to show that what you said is not out of your own understanding, what you think they said, as your own interpretation but that what they really said.

For me as it should be for everyone I will not support your statement until you have provided the proof by posting what they said word for word.

Why did not post their words to begin with and then asked "is that what are they saying? 

And why asked the question when we have their words? 

Because your statement is from trying to read between the lines.

And not what they actually said 

Please post their words. Word for word. 

[Marathoner]

4 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

  On 10/18/2024 at 5:03 PM, NConly said:

From what I have seen and heard they also say there is more than one way to be saved. which contradicts the Bible.

@NConly  This is what you are saying about (they also say there is more than one way to be saved). The they in your post is referring to more than one people. And your comments said both of them are in agreement that there is more than one way to be saved. 

And this is your comment "that it contradicts the Bible. 

There to statements that needs to be proven from you. 

The onus is on you to show that what you said is not out of your own understanding, what you think they said, as your own interpretation but that what they really said.

For me as it should be for everyone I will not support your statement until you have provided the proof by posting what they said word for word.

Why did not post their words to begin with and then asked "is that what are they saying? 

And why asked the question when we have their words? 

Because your statement is from trying to read between the lines.

And not what they actually said 

Please post their words. Word for word. 

I agree. It's not enough to make unfounded accusations. Proof must be provided.

As for myself, considering those Charismatic assemblies I have visited, I haven't encountered anything that is "unscriptural." No alternatives to Jesus Christ were preached. 

What we find are opinions, then. One's opinion should be declared as such. There is nothing worthwhile with naysaying or denouncing others. We ought to treat others how we wish to be treated and that, my friends, is entirely scriptural. 

[NConly]

14 minutes ago, farouk said:

I think key questions in the subject are: Is Scripture truly sufficient? is indeed the Person - the work - of Christ sufficient?

If these are to be obscured by piling on experience and opinion, then it's very highly problematic.

Imo Osteen mixes some truth with non truth. imo some follow him because of his charismatic charm and their itching ears.

imo only one way to the Father that is through Faith in Jesus.

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, NConly said:

 

The Bible says john 14

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

This is what He said in the interview the same what Jesus said:

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

"That Jesus Christ is the only way to God" And he said it loud and clear. 

Goodus to him because he said it "without any prejudice to anyone who believes ".

You said they and this is incorrect. The interviewer only asked the questions. 

The issue is only about him.

And we do not need to name them but first talk about the matter. To name in the way it happens it is that you bring an accusation against him which if not truth it may tarnished his image. And already has done something. 

Without posting the actual question and answer. 

[farouk]

2 hours ago, NConly said:

One can go on u tube and search for " Joel Osteen and Opra interview" where they agree there is more than one way to heaven.

The Bible says john 14

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

@NConly So why believe them in preference to Scripture? right?

[Your closest friendnt]

35 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

I agree. It's not enough to make unfounded accusations. Proof must be provided.

As for myself, considering those Charismatic assemblies I have visited, I haven't encountered anything that is "unscriptural." No alternatives to Jesus Christ were preached. 

What we find are opinions, then. One's opinion should be declared as such. There is nothing worthwhile with naysaying or denouncing others. We ought to treat others how we wish to be treated and that, my friends, is entirely scriptural. 

The interviewer never said or claimed that The Man said that they are many ways to Salvation or to God. 

She has the record that He never said that.

I read what she asked and what He answered. 

And now I need to post their worlds before I say anything else.

When Oprah asked, “Are there many paths to get to the one God?”  Osteen responded, “Well, I believe Oprah that there, I believe that Jesus is the way to the one God, but there are many paths to Jesus.  You know, you don’t know how Jesus would reveal himself to somebody.”

The statement is made: that He believes that Jesus is the only way to God. 

Edited October 25, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[NConly]

28 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

  On 10/18/2024 at 5:03 PM, NConly said:

From what I have seen and heard they also say there is more than one way to be saved. which contradicts the Bible.

@NConly  This is what you are saying about (they also say there is more than one way to be saved). The they in your post is referring to more than one people. And your comments said both of them are in agreement that there is more than one way to be saved. 

And this is your comment "that it contradicts the Bible. 

There to statements that needs to be proven from you. 

The onus is on you to show that what you said is not out of your own understanding, what you think they said, as your own interpretation but that what they really said.

For me as it should be for everyone I will not support your statement until you have provided the proof by posting what they said word for word.

Why did not post their words to begin with and then asked "is that what are they saying? 

And why asked the question when we have their words? 

Because your statement is from trying to read between the lines.

And not what they actually said 

Please post their words. Word for word. 

My post or statements on this forum are my opinion, and can also be beliefs.  Some post are directly from the KJV. If anyone disagrees with my opinion I am ok with that and them. No one has to agree with me and are entitled to their opinion. My opinion can and probably sometimes is wrong.  I am not by any stretch of ones imagination a preacher. It is my opinion after watching the 2 minute video that "they" include only the two in the interview. I am not going to spend a day searching for info that will prove to you I am right. If you think I am wrong as you say I am ok with you telling me I am wrong. Just you telling me I am wrong may or may not change my mind.