Recusing The Disorderly

[Mr. M]

49 minutes ago, Sower said:

Thank you for your service to our country, sir..

Oh yeah, I forgot you mentioned serving in the late 60's. Vietnam Vet? I graduated HS in 1974. I served subs from 75-83. Cold war vet earning war time qualifications because submarine qualification is considered wartime all the time, with hazard pay. Hard work and long hours, sure. Sleep much? Nope. But you can never forget the people you serve with and the value of the experiences.

One time we sat just inside Soviet waters and listened to PA announcements from the naval base in Vladivostok. We had 10 spooks on board doing the listening. When you are right out of HS, it seems like you are doing something very important and somewhat unique.

And then there was port of call Subic Bay, Philippines...

[Sower]

10 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Oh yeah, I forgot you mentioned serving in the late 60's. Vietnam Vet? I graduated HS in 1974.

Two tours 66-67-68. Dropped out in 65 my senior year. Bored, my buddy also dropped out, joined the Marines, went to the Nam same time. Our pay checks were $96.00 a month, $40.00 combat pay(VN was a conflict, not a war:) The checks we received come from the "Department of The Navy"....

You were the squid in the tube, we were the grunts on the ground.

It takes a special kind of courage to live underwater, and I could never willingly made it. I get nervous when the elevator doors don't open immediately. Listening to 'pings' hoping echos were only big fish.      EEErrrooouuuggghhh!!! 

10 hours ago, Mr. M said:

And then there was port of call Subic Bay, Philippines..

The Navy loved Subic...

Lived in Manila a few weeks around the corner from Subic. Really beautiful place (Went there on my R&R later while in VN) Dad was in the Air Force, us family (7) followed him on the USNS Barrett, the only civilians on board and us kids always getting caught below decks getting into trouble. You know how those navy guys are...He was stationed at Clark AFB, but we first landed at Luzon at Subic to Manila a few weeks till transportation took us to Clark. No housing available for Senior Non Commissioned so we lived the first year off base at local Angeles city near Clark.

The best years of my childhood, sugarcane field front yard with un exploded WWII ordinance to look for/find and call the ordinance disposal guys. Jungle just a football field away, rode Carrabou buffalo, hunted parrots and macaws, monkeys etc, lotsa pets, made friends with locals, learned to speak native Tagalog, and had a blast. Rode in the Kalesas and bet you remember the Jeepneys..

The native Negrito pygmies would come down of Huck mountain and sell us kids poisoned dart long blow guns and small bows and arrows they used to hunt food in the jungles. Huck mountain to locals was officially  Mount Pinatubo, that erupted in 1991, a 7.8 for the first time in 600 yrs. Killed a lot of people and ash went around the world. The ash and debris wiped out Clark where we lived.

I know it's doubtful, but I have a friend, Eugene 'Red' Willingham, a lifer, who served on several subs from the early 70's till sometime in late 90's, and thought I'd ask if you knew him. Seems we've been crossing paths a time or two.

[Ray12614]

Well . . . the following verses give hints as to what the apostle was dealing with:

[2Th 3:11-12 KJV] [11] For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. [12] Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

Evidently those disorderly persons were depending on others to feed them though they were able to work, they choose not to work and depend on the Christian charity of other fellow Christians to feed them. The key here is that they are able to work but refuse to do so.

Another part of this is that they are busybodies. Strongs defines this as:

to bustle about uselessly, to busy one's self about trifling, needless, useless matters

used apparently of a person officiously inquisitive about other's affairs

So . . . not only were they depending on others to work for them and to eat others labors in food, they were meddling in others business and home life where they had no business intruding into.

Hummmmm . . . . . . ..