Immigrants from the Past

[missmuffet]

Let's look back into history. Many immigrants come to the US from Italy,Poland,Russia,Hungary and Ireland and many

other countries. They came to New York City through Ellis Island 1892 to 1954. 12 million immigrants went through Ellis

Island from very bad situations from where they came from. Many wanted to come to the US to start a better

life. Many were treated poorly because they came to the US from another country and were treated poorly such as

the Irish. Many of our ancestors came to the US in this way.

Today we are looking at the same situation. Immigration today is a very controversial topic. Of course we

want to keep the bad guys out. The Cartel and those who break the law and do some really bad things. Yes,

let's keep them out. But the U.S. spends money on some things that are a waste of money such as:

1. 518,000 the federal government spends to study how cocaine affects

the sexual behavior of Japanese quails

2. The government spends 3 million dollars a year to watch hamsters fight.

3. The government spends one million dollars a year to print documents

that no one will ever read.

4. The government spends 1.2 million dollars a year to research the social

habits of monkeys.

5. The government spends $35,000,000 a year for phantom clinics which

are fake clinics.

The ridiculous spending goes on and on.

The US has said that bringing in some of these immigrants is costing them a lot

of money. Maybe they should prioritize where their money should be spent to

maybe help some people in need.

An image of Ellis Island

 

 

 

Edited November 20, 2024 by missmuffet

[D. Adrien]

Butwhataboutism shouldn't be part of the discussion. At the time many immigrants were also turned away due to disease and ill health. There was a very strict vetting process in place to protect the existing citizens. Do you ever ask yourself where these exotic outbreaks of various diseases originated from in our recent past? Sex trade and other items trafficked?

[Cyoder]

I see many conservatives like me who are excited with the idea of mass deportations.  I just wonder if they have thought through what that would look like.  They are going to use the military.  So, are we talking about military personnel asking people for their papers and rounding them up into trains, airplanes and busses?  Are we going to see the diary of Anita Sanchez instead of Ann Frank?  Democrats invited them here, allowed them in, flew them around the country, gave them money and free housing.  Does that sound like something you do for illegals who broke the law?  It was wrong, but they did it anyway and Republicans sat back and did nothing.  We can't just start dropping off tens of thousands of people into third world countries and expect them to be ok.  I'm expecting starvation, death and sexual abuse for many women and children if we do this.  I want the gang members, drug dealers and criminals to go.  I would also try to send back as many single men as possible.  Families, women and children I would try to work with.  First, shut down the border.  Pass laws with severe punishment if you hire illegals.  Next, give families that want to be contributing Americans green cards and a path to become citizens over a five year period.  Work, pay taxes, obey the law.  It would be kinder and cheaper than just trying to ship everyone back.  It's not like they are all just going to get in line and let you send them back.  It's going to take hundreds of billions of dollars and God knows how many people to round them up.  It doesn't seem possible.

[missmuffet]

22 minutes ago, D. Adrien said:

Butwhataboutism shouldn't be part of the discussion. At the time many immigrants were also turned away due to disease and ill health. There was a very strict vetting process in place to protect the existing citizens. Do you ever ask yourself where these exotic outbreaks of various diseases originated from in our recent past? Sex trade and other items trafficked?

Only 2% were denied at Ellis Island. That is true. Many who come in through Ellis Island had very thorough exams. Those

coming illegally to the US are not examined being disease to the US.

[missmuffet]

5 minutes ago, Cyoder said:

I see many conservatives like me who are excited with the idea of mass deportations.  I just wonder if they have thought through what that would look like.  They are going to use the military.  So, are we talking about military personnel asking people for their papers and rounding them up into trains, airplanes and busses?  Are we going to see the diary of Anita Sanchez instead of Ann Frank?  Democrats invited them here, allowed them in, flew them around the country, gave them money and free housing.  Does that sound like something you do for illegals who broke the law?  It was wrong, but they did it anyway and Republicans sat back and did nothing.  We can't just start dropping off tens of thousands of people into third world countries and expect them to be ok.  I'm expecting starvation, death and sexual abuse for many women and children if we do this.  I want the gang members, drug dealers and criminals to go.  I would also try to send back as many single men as possible.  Families, women and children I would try to work with.  First, shut down the border.  Pass laws with severe punishment if you hire illegals.  Next, give families that want to be contributing Americans green cards and a path to become citizens over a five year period.  Work, pay taxes, obey the law.  It would be kinder and cheaper than just trying to ship everyone back.  It's not like they are all just going to get in line and let you send them back.  It's going to take hundreds of billions of dollars and God knows how many people to round them up.  It doesn't seem possible.

Excited about the deportations? It actually saddens me. Perhaps Satan is working with the authorities regarding

in immigrants. I am sure it makes God sad.

[farouk]

9 minutes ago, Cyoder said:

I see many conservatives like me who are excited with the idea of mass deportations.  I just wonder if they have thought through what that would look like.  They are going to use the military.  So, are we talking about military personnel asking people for their papers and rounding them up into trains, airplanes and busses?  Are we going to see the diary of Anita Sanchez instead of Ann Frank?  Democrats invited them here, allowed them in, flew them around the country, gave them money and free housing.  Does that sound like something you do for illegals who broke the law?  It was wrong, but they did it anyway and Republicans sat back and did nothing.  We can't just start dropping off tens of thousands of people into third world countries and expect them to be ok.  I'm expecting starvation, death and sexual abuse for many women and children if we do this.  I want the gang members, drug dealers and criminals to go.  I would also try to send back as many single men as possible.  Families, women and children I would try to work with.  First, shut down the border.  Pass laws with severe punishment if you hire illegals.  Next, give families that want to be contributing Americans green cards and a path to become citizens over a five year period.  Work, pay taxes, obey the law.  It would be kinder and cheaper than just trying to ship everyone back.  It's not like they are all just going to get in line and let you send them back.  It's going to take hundreds of billions of dollars and God knows how many people to round them up.  It doesn't seem possible.

Does it remind you of the repercussions of the Fugitive Slave Act, 1850 (which made Millard Fillmore so unpopular)?

I know there are significant differences, but there may be historical parallels. I do prefer to comment historically rather than politically.

[farouk]

6 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Only 2% were denied at Ellis Island. That is true. Many who come in through Ellis Island had very thorough exams. Those

coming illegally to the US are not examined being disease to the US.

Up here there is the Museum of Immigration at Pier 21, Halifax, NS (similar to Ellis Island).

[missmuffet]

3 minutes ago, farouk said:

Up here there is the Museum of Immigration at Pier 21, Halifax, NS (similar to Ellis Island).

That would be interesting. Do you know that in the 1800's there was what was called "The Underground Railroad". Many of

those who were called the"conductors" secretly transported the black slaves to Canada where they would be free.

[Neighbor]

46 minutes ago, D. Adrien said:

Do you ever ask yourself where these exotic outbreaks of various diseases originated from in our recent past?

Big Pharma?

[farouk]

6 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

That would be interesting. Do you know that in the 1800's there was what was called "The Underground Railroad". Many of

those who were called the"conductors" secretly transported the black slaves to Canada where they would be free.

Hi @missmuffet Yes and there are historic sites in Ontario about the Underground Railroad. There is a church building in Buffalo, NY, near the Canadian border (where  family of Grover Cleveland had links, if I'm not mistaken) which was involved with the Underground Railroad significantly, since the suburb in which it is located is across the river from Canada.