Thus says the Lord

[Keras]

3 hours ago, douggg said:

Isaiah 56 is not talking about Christians doing animal sacrifices.     It is talking about strangers who come and live amongst the Jews in Israel.

But it is and many Prophesies tell us that Judah will be punished and only a remnant will survive. 

We Christians will travel to and live in all of the holy Land. As Psalms 107 and Isaiah 66:18b-21, so vividly confirm. 

[Keras]

3 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. - Isa 2:2-4 KJV

This Prophecy describes how it will be during the Millennium. 

The Lords faithful peoples will occupy the holy Land before then. Isaiah 49:19, Jeremiah 33:12-13, +

[douggg]

7 hours ago, Keras said:

But it is and many Prophesies tell us that Judah will be punished and only a remnant will survive. 

We Christians will travel to and live in all of the holy Land. As Psalms 107 and Isaiah 66:18b-21, so vividly confirm. 

Keras, Christians are not going to be doing animal sacrifices.   And have not been instructed to so ever since the gospel in salvation in Christ.     Christ is the perfect sacrifice for our sins.   

Your scenario about there being a replacement Christian nation to the current nation of Israel, which Christians thereof will be doing the temple animal sacrifices is simply wrong.

When you say that Christians are going to be doing animal sacrifices, you are preaching another gospel.

 

 

[Keras]

6 hours ago, douggg said:

Keras, Christians are not going to be doing animal sacrifices.   And have not been instructed to so ever since the gospel in salvation in Christ.     Christ is the perfect sacrifice for our sins.   

Your scenario about there being a replacement Christian nation to the current nation of Israel, which Christians thereof will be doing the temple animal sacrifices is simply wrong.

When you say that Christians are going to be doing animal sacrifices, you are preaching another gospel.

 

 

God required sacrifices and offerings in a Temple before. He does not change. 

I know and accept the Sacrifice of Jesus as the payment for my sins. But I still sin -inadvertently or by mistake. Many scriptures, which you fail to address, tell us that sacrifices and offerings will be re-instituted. BEFORE Jesus Returns. 

You have a totally different belief. One that entails a removal from the earth of the Church. I put it to you; your belief is way more far out and impossible that anything I have promoted. I do have scriptural support; you don't. 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

3 hours ago, Keras said:

God required sacrifices and offerings in a Temple before. He does not change. 

I know and accept the Sacrifice of Jesus as the payment for my sins. But I still sin -inadvertently or by mistake. Many scriptures, which you fail to address, tell us that sacrifices and offerings will be re-instituted. BEFORE Jesus Returns. 

Ezekiel's vision of a future Temple was most logically referring to the 2nd Temple.   Ezekiel had this vision while in exile in Babylon after the destruction of 1st Temple. There was no 2nd temple and Israel was in in exile and captives living in Babylon, so logically the vision of this future Temple would be referring to the 2nd Temple that would be built giving hope to a defeated conquered Israel.

Imagine you are living at the time of Ezekiel and in exile in Babylon. What would this prophecy mean to you, at that time? Anyone reading Ezekiel would see this as a plan for the 2nd Temple.

 

[douggg]

4 hours ago, Keras said:

I know and accept the Sacrifice of Jesus as the payment for my sins.

The gospel of salvation does not teach that Christians do animal sacrifices.   You are preaching another gospel when you say that Christians will be doing the animal sacrifices at the temple  when the Antichrist stops those.

[Keras]

19 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Anyone reading Ezekiel would see this as a plan for the 2nd Temple.

A careful reading of Ezekiel 40 to 48, makes it clear, that it all remains unfulfilled. Confirmed by many other Prophesies and te historical record.

There will be a new Temple, 2 Thess 2:4 proves it.

19 hours ago, douggg said:

The gospel of salvation does not teach that Christians do animal sacrifices.   You are preaching another gospel when you say that Christians will be doing the animal sacrifices at the temple  when the Antichrist stops those.

I choose not to dictate to God, of what He can and cannot ask of us. 

Your belief of the Jews receiving Redemption, is never Prophesied and does not fit with the idea of them building and operating a new Temple years before Jesus Returns. 

Edited December 7, 2024 by Keras

[Jedi4Yahweh]

5 minutes ago, Keras said:

A careful reading of Ezekiel 40 to 48, makes it clear, that it all remains unfulfilled. Confirmed by many other Prophesies and te historical record.

No....this vision was fulfilled with the building of the second temple.  The New Covenant does not require animal sacrifices nor a man made temple to worship God.  Listen to what Jesus said:

The woman said to Him, "Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. "Our fathers worshiped on this mountain [Mt Garizim/Samaritan Temple], and you [Jews] say that in Jerusalem [Jewish Temple] is the place where one ought to worship." Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. "You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. "God [is] Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." - Jhn 4:19-24 

What hour was Jesus speaking of when he said, "The Hour is Coming when you will neither worship me at Mt Gerizim nor at the Jerusalem Temple but those that will worship Him with do it in Spirit and Truth?"

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Keras said:

Your belief of the Jews receiving Redemption, is never Prophesied and does not fit with the idea of them building and operating a new Temple years before Jesus Returns. 

Keras, Revelation 12, the woman in that chapter is Israel.     Not your scenario of a Christian nation called Beulah.

In Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The gathering of the elect is the gathering of the Jews to the nation of their forefathers - Israel.

Matthew 24, verse 31 is taken from Deuteronomy 30:1-6.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Verse 5 is referring to Israel.     Verse 6 is the redemption of the Jews.     Revelation 12:10 is the en-masse conversion of the Jews to Christianity in the middle part of the 7 years.

 

Edited December 7, 2024 by douggg

[kenny2212]

22 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Ezekiel's vision of a future Temple was most logically referring to the 2nd Temple.   Ezekiel had this vision while in exile in Babylon after the destruction of 1st Temple. There was no 2nd temple and Israel was in in exile and captives living in Babylon, so logically the vision of this future Temple would be referring to the 2nd Temple that would be built giving hope to a defeated conquered Israel.

Imagine you are living at the time of Ezekiel and in exile in Babylon. What would this prophecy mean to you, at that time? Anyone reading Ezekiel would see this as a plan for the 2nd Temple.

 

Ezekiel's Temple is the millennial temple (Ezek. 40:2, 5.)