Some Who Call Themselves 'Christian' Will Not Inherit the Kingdom of God?

[FreeGrace]

8 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

FreeGrace said:

I defer to what the Bible says about who will inherit the kingdom of God

Which I provided.

The thrust of the OP was that people who live according to the lists of immorality/etc aren't saved, but going to hell.  The 3 parallel passages I quoted prove otherwise and that Paul wasn't even discussing consequences for the unsaved.

So, can you explain why Paul would insert consequences for unbelievers in a letter to believers?  

8 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

The kingdom is the thing inherited.

Actually, not.  As Eph 5:5 proved.  Paul mentioned 3 things that believers SHOULD NOT BE DOING.  He never said they couldn't if they were "truly" saved.  And v.5 includes those very same 3 things.  He was talking to believers, saved people.

8 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

  For ex: if the decedent wills his estate to Heir A, but not Heir B, Heir B doesn't inherit the estate or any of the rewards that are attached to the estate, and heir B dosn't get the privilege to enter or enjoy the estate. Therefore, both statements, "will not inherit" and , refer to the unsaved who rejected the call to repent and believe, and they will not be allowed to enter into or enjoy the kingdom of God.

When a person believes in Christ for salvation, they become a child of God.  Their inheritance IS the kingdom.

Rom 8:17a - Now if we are children, then we are heirs —heirs of God

This first part of the verse isn't conditional like the second part, which is.

All believers ARE heirs of God and will therefore live with God for eternity.  They are qualified by the fact that they possess God's life, which is ETERNAL LIFE.

But, to be a "co-heir with Christ" is conditioned on "sharing in His sufferings".

8 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Actually, the letters are written to congregations which may or may not include unbelievers in their midst, much like today's congregations. 

The vast of unbelievers mocked the Christians and weren't attending their house churches.  Today is a totally different matter.  

8 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Paul is exhorting those that are in Christ to live not like those that are not in Christ

That is exactly the point!  There are consequences for saved people who live in sin.

8 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

with the admonishment that those that are not in Christ will not receive the inheritance of the kingdom

Cannot be.  Makes no sense.  The consequences of the unsaved is obvious to those who have believed in Christ.  No need to add that in a context of how believers ought to live.

8 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

As Paul says: they are carnal, therefore unable to hear the spiritual. If unable to hear the spiritual, they have not the indwelling spirit, therefore they're unsaved.

The "therefore" here is only an opinion.  Paul was calling the divisive believers in Corinth carnal.  Plain as day.  btw, throughout 1 Cor, Paul AFFIRMED the saved status of his audience.  In spite of their behaviors.  Read 2 Cor 12:19,20.  They wouldn't have been unbelievers hanging around a house church.  They would be out "partying".

8 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Every congregation has within its ranks unsaved, carnal people that are not in Christ.

That sure is true today, but certainly NOT in the 1st century.

8 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Though Paul refers to them as "babes in Christ", he is not telling that they are indeed born again in Christ, which is evident by their inability to hear spiritually. 

OK, then don't believe your lying eyes.  But I DO believe what I see, and the phrase "babes in Christ" are OBVIOUSLY Christians.  But baby believers who should have grown up haven't.  Paul was taking them to task.  Read carefully Eph 2 and count the times the words "in Christ", "in Him", etc are used.  To be "in Christ" is to be a saved person.

8 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

"And such were some of you" refers to the lost condition of the saved before they were in Christ.

Correct.  And Paul's obvious point is that they should STOP LIVING like they used to.

8 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

  And by this, Paul is pointing to the lost nature of those whom Paul is referring, who won't inherit the kingdom because they are not washed, sanctified, and justified by Jesus Christ.

Paul never said that, nor does the Bible say that.  Throughout both 1 Cor and 2 Cor Paul affirms the SAVED STATE of his audience.  In NO verse did Paul accuse anyone of not being saved.  

btw, why would Paul use lifestyle as a motivation to unbelievers, when lifestyle is not an issue in getting saved.  Unless you believe that change of lifestyle is part of getting saved.  In that case, that is a veering off course from what the Bible says.

8 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

  Clearly, they that are not referred to in the phrase "such were some of you" are they that are unsaved and will not inherit the kingdom, because they continue to live by and mind the things of the flesh.

I already showed that all 3 passages are parallel and teach the SAME THING, and Eph 5:5 says it the clearest, that Christians are ABLE to live immoral lives, but shouldn't.  Because there are consequences for it.

8 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Unless God has given them over time a reprobate mind, which means God's already rejected them. 

Opinion.

[BornAgain490]

37 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

The thrust of the OP was that people who live according to the lists of immorality/etc aren't saved, but going to hell

If they aren't going to inherit the kingdom, they arent saved. And there are only two eternal destinations. 

Paul is addressing a congregation that is like all congregations, which has saved and lost among them. And Paul is obviously exhorting both.  The purpose of making disciples is so that disciples will make disciples and so on ..

47 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

So, can you explain why Paul would insert consequences for unbelievers in a letter to believers?

Paul is a disciple making disciples so that those disciples will make disciples and so on ....

Furthermore, not all in a congregation are saved. We see this today, and Paul's day was no different. 

51 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

He never said they couldn't if they were "truly" saved.

The "truly saved" are those Paul says "and such were some of you..."  If you're among those willfully living the proscribed behaviors Paul lists, then you're not saved because you're living a lie: there's no truth in you.  

56 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

 He was talking to believers, saved people.

Paul wrote to a congregation, which included believers and obviously non-believers. Again, Paul is making disciples to make disciples to make disciples, and so on ...

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

 The consequences of the unsaved is obvious to those who have believed in Christ.  No need to add that in a context of how believers ought to live

It's called discipling, which is done for mature believers, immature believers, and nonbelievers 

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

But, to be a "co-heir with Christ" is conditioned on "sharing in His sufferings".

"Sharing in His sufferings" is exactly the opposite of the behavior of those who will not inherit the kingdom, because they are not washed, sanctified, and justified. 

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

why would Paul use lifestyle as a motivation to unbelievers, when lifestyle is not an issue in getting saved

Convert the unbelievers and make disciples to make disciples to make disciples ...

[FreeGrace]

3 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

  FreeGrace said:

The thrust of the OP was that people who live according to the lists of immorality/etc aren't saved, but going to hell

If they aren't going to inherit the kingdom, they arent saved. And there are only two eternal destinations.

That is a misunderstanding of the fact that there are 2 kinds of inheritance.  One kind is going to heaven as "heirs of God".  All believers are children of God, per John 1:12 Gal 3:26.  No other conditions.   Rom 8:17a

The second kind of inheritance is what is inherited based on behavior.  The Bible calls this "reward" and is found throughout the NT.   Rom 8:17b  This inheritance is conditional, based on faithfulness and obedience.

3 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Paul is addressing a congregation that is like all congregations, which has saved and lost among them.

Seems you aren't listening.  That is true of today, but in the 1st Century unbelievers didn't "worship God".  Those who worshiped went to temples to worship, the very things that Christians were avoiding.  It is just an excuse to hold onto a view that isn't found in the Bible.

3 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

And Paul is obviously exhorting both.

What is obvious is that Paul wasn't addressing unbelievers.  Just read the opening lines (verses) of ANY of his or any other epistle and it is obvious that the letters were NOT for unbelievers.

And you still haven't explained rationally why Paul would insert consequences for unbelievers in a letter to bleievers.  But of course you have to hold onto the view that Paul was addressing both, when there is no evidence of that.

In fact, if Paul was addressing both, he would have made clear to unbelievers that their problem was not one of behavior, but one of lack of faith in Christ for salvation.

3 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

  The purpose of making disciples is so that disciples will make disciples and so on ..

Where do you get that notion?  Please don't say "great commission", but it wasn't for every believer to fulfill.

3 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

The "truly saved" are those Paul says "and such were some of you..."

I've already addressed this.  His point was that they should NO LONGER live like they used to.

3 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

  If you're among those willfully living the proscribed behaviors Paul lists, then you're not saved because you're living a lie: there's no truth in you.

There are many believers who have no truth in them.  That doesn't mean they aren't saved.  It means they are ignorant of HOW they should be living.  

There are 4 times in Paul's epistles that he wrote "I would not have you IGNORANT, brothers..."  That's why he wrote the epistles he did.

3 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

  Paul wrote to a congregation, which included believers and obviously non-believers. Again, Paul is making disciples to make disciples to make disciples, and so on ...

Well, the evidence is against you and your persistence twists Scripture.

3 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

It's called discipling, which is done for mature believers, immature believers, and nonbelievers

In none of the 3 parallel passages is there any mention of discipling.  In FACT, there's 

no mention or charge to believers to "disciple others".  That is a myth passed down from those who failed to read Scripture properly.

3 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

"Sharing in His sufferings" is exactly the opposite of the behavior of those who will not inherit the kingdom, because they are not washed, sanctified, and justified. 

No, it is the exact opposite of how believers are supposed to live.  And there are consequences for such behavior.

Do you not think that God has to discipline His children?

3 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Convert the unbelievers and make disciples to make disciples to make disciples ...

Show me anywhere in Paul's letters where he tried to convert unbelievers or order believers to make more believers.

Then I'll show you what Scripture says about the responsibility to all believers is.

All the warnings in the NT are directed to believers who need to shape up.  

[BornAgain490]

11 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

there are 2 kinds of inheritance

Only the faithful in Christ are heirs.  Only heirs inherit. 

If you're not an heir, just as Paul writes: you "shall not inherit the kingdom of God."  (1 Corinth. 6:10; Galatians 5:21).

If you are not an heir, just as Paul writes: you do not "have any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."  (Ephesians 5:5).

[BornAgain490]

20 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Seems you aren't listening.  That is true of today, but in the 1st Century unbelievers didn't "worship God".  Those who worshiped went to temples to worship, the very things that Christians were avoiding.  It is just an excuse to hold onto a view that isn't found in the Bible

 

22 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Where do you get that notion?  Please don't say "great commission", but it wasn't for every believer to fulfill.

Seriously?  It's evident from scripture and  throughout history that the great commission had as its primary objective to make disciples.  Not just for the first century, but for all generations that followed.  Christ made disciples and commissioned them to make disciples, who then obviously made more disciples, and for nearly 2,000 years, disciples who've been discipled have been making disciples.  And it continues to this day.   

[BornAgain490]

29 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

And you still haven't explained rationally why Paul would insert consequences for unbelievers in a letter to bleievers.  

The Bible is filled with consequences for unbelievers in letters written to congregations.  For ex:  Revelation is written to congregations in Asia minor.  If  there is no reason to write to those congregations of the consequences of unbelief, kindly answer why Revelation is replete with consequences for unbelievers. 

[BornAgain490]

39 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

I've already addressed this.  His point was that they should NO LONGER live like they used to.

No.  The point Paul is making is that when they were born again in Christ, they came out a life of ungodliness and unrighteousness, the result of which is they are washed, sanctified,  and justified. 

[BornAgain490]

42 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

There are many believers who have no truth in them.

False.  To be born again is to be in Christ. If you are in Christ, then Christ is in you.  If Christ is in you, then the truth is in you, because Christ is the truth. 

[BornAgain490]

45 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

There are many believers who have no truth in them.  That doesn't mean they aren't saved.

If they don't have the truth in them, they aren't saved. 

[Neighbor]

5 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

False.  To be born again is to be in Christ. If you are in Christ, then Christ is in you.  If Christ is in you, then the truth is in you, because Christ is the truth. 

 Addressed to Christians From 1 John, the introductory chapter; esv: 

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— 2 the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us—3 that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And we are writing these things so that our[a] joy may be complete.

Walking in the Light

5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.