Jesus' Incarnation Includes Us!

[AdHoc]

3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Wikipedia 

incarn; to become covered with flesh, to heal over. (transitive) To make carnal; to reduce the spiritual nature of. (transitive, figurative) To put into or represent in a concrete form, as an idea.

I am the first to refuse a wrong word. I also understand that language is given by God to transmit ideas. To give consistency to a word it must mean the same at all times. Oxford is an authority we turn to for consistency of meaning. What word do you suggest we use to transmit the fact of God taking the form of flesh? "Son of man" points to Genesis 1:11-12 and God's Law of KINDS. It denotes His origin and nature. But is not the correct English word for a deity taking flesh "incarnation"?

You have touched an important point because Christ's humanity is vital looking forward to a worthy substitute for sin and sins. It s also vital for God's plan in Genesis 1:26-28. It is vital for our marriage with Him for Eve is created from the man and for the man. And it is vial for God's pleasure as Romans 8:1-2 shows. There, it is not a case of the Law of Moses. Nor is it a case of keeping any rules. It is that the LIFE of Christ is lived out by the men and women who have been infused with His LIFE. The "LAW OF LIFE" is opposed to any regulation other than what Christ did as a Man. Chris does not only make us His abode, but He is to be "Formed IN US" so that we act, think and feel as He did. God's pleasure is not in us keeping the rules. That is the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil - and it kills. God is satisfied ONLY in the HUMAN life of Jesus as it was energized by the divine life in Him.

Thus, His taking on of human nature is the center of the Bible. We had better agree on a definitive term for it. There can be no uncertainty as to Christ's dual nature.

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

I am the first to refuse a wrong word. I also understand that language is given by God to transmit ideas. To give consistency to a word it must mean the same at all times. Oxford is an authority we turn to for consistency of meaning. What word do you suggest we use to transmit the fact of God taking the form of flesh? "Son of man" points to Genesis 1:11-12 and God's Law of KINDS. It denotes His origin and nature. But is not the correct English word for a deity taking flesh "incarnation"?

You have touched an important point because Christ's humanity is vital looking forward to a worthy substitute for sin and sins. It s also vital for God's plan in Genesis 1:26-28. It is vital for our marriage with Him for Eve is created from the man and for the man. And it is vial for God's pleasure as Romans 8:1-2 shows. There, it is not a case of the Law of Moses. Nor is it a case of keeping any rules. It is that the LIFE of Christ is lived out by the men and women who have been infused with His LIFE. The "LAW OF LIFE" is opposed to any regulation other than what Christ did as a Man. Chris does not only make us His abode, but He is to be "Formed IN US" so that we act, think and feel as He did. God's pleasure is not in us keeping the rules. That is the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil - and it kills. God is satisfied ONLY in the HUMAN life of Jesus as it was energized by the divine life in Him.

Thus, His taking on of human nature is the center of the Bible. We had better agree on a definitive term for it. There can be no uncertainty as to Christ's dual nature.

Thank you. 

You are different than many.

Who do not want to talk about how the prophetic was about the one promised and how the Archangel Gabriel spoke to the young Jewish maiden. 

[Your closest friendnt]

20 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Quote from Worthy Forums Statement Of Faith

We believe in the Messiah, Jesus, God’s only begotten son, God come in the flesh. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate. He was crucified, died and buried. On the third day, He rose again. Soon afterward He ascended into heaven. Now He is seated at the right hand of the Father and He will return to judge both the living and the dead and reign for evermore.

Please tell us the thoughts of the ministry that are behind the first paragraph in your quoted post above. The context inclusive to justify this statement. 

And we will look into John's thoughts from the context he had consider that led Him to make this statement. 

[Your closest friendnt]

On 12/16/2024 at 11:14 AM, Vine Abider said:

Not sure your point - are you comparing the idea of incarnation in eastern religions with the biblical account, or do you have a problem with the use of the word incarnation applying to Christ? (or both?)

Incarnation definition (Oxford): a person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or abstract quality.

QUESTION - Do you see Christ as God manifested in the flesh?

 

In the quoted post above copy and paste in bold and in parentheses is this ("Incarnation definition (Oxford): a person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or abstract quality") 

 The factual aspects needs to have a person while he yet lives. And we need to have deity, some kind of God any God. A Godly being is without a body and goes and makes his abode in someone and comunicates and makes know one self to others through that person or others whether physical or spiritual beings. 

Moses whom God called him and gave him powers to do the will of God. God gave him powers or spiritual gifts. Moses was change he was another man after that. But God did not embody Moses. God did not made his abode in Moses only God Anointed him with powers. Moses could use these powers to do the will of God and also to do something against the will of God. Moses spoke and things happened. 

The Lord told him that he made him a God to Pharaoh. 

And the Lord gave him Aaron as his prophet. 

Edited December 17, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

On 12/15/2024 at 4:43 PM, Vine Abider said:

At this morning's Sunday gathering, a brother gave a message about the incarnation of Christ.  I sort of thought to myself, "Well we've all heard this Xmas story before, but let's see if he brings out anything new."  And on one hand I would say he did (but on the other hand, nothing that different that we haven't heard before regarding God's eternal purpose).

But the brother did help us connect the dots in a fresh way!

Here's my summary of what he shared: This time of year much of the world is celebrating the incarnation of God as the Man, Jesus.  But this Man had His eye set on a bigger incarnation --> He was the One Grain that was to fall into the ground to die, that the many grains could be produced, namely His ekklesia (aka church, body, bride, building)!

The world gets all fixated upon the Baby Jesus this time of year, but His purpose was to come and save man from the enemy, so that He could put His life into us.  It's this incarnation - Christ in us - that was His real goal, and the sharing brother presented dozens of verses supporting that purpose.  We're in Christ and He's in us, and many sons are now being brought into His glory!  

"And now the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly."  Romans 16:20  

With all due respect Jesus came to save us from our sins. And he is our righteousness. In him we have the gift of eternal life and a Heavenly Inheritance. Where he is we will also be with him. He is in Heaven and He is with the Heavenly Father and so do we.

Positionaly we are in him. His Inheritance is Heavenly and we are co-heirs with him. 

This is what Jesus said in John 17:21 FATHER just as you are in me and I am in you. Then he said sometjing about his disciples that may they also be in us. That it was specific about his disciples. 

Did not say anything in that passage about those who will believe from their preaching and that was before he died on the Cross. That the disciples be one in believing in him as none of them go back to Judaism. Knowing about the testing that will come to them when they will see him die. And that all of them to believe and remain in him after he death and resurrection. Giving notice that all of them will believe in him after His resurrection and after his accession. And they did as all of them were present on the day of Pentecost. 

Jesus told something to his disciples to help them with their confusion. John 17:21 NIV (Jesus is praying) that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

[Vine Abider]

6 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

With all due respect Jesus came to save us from our sins. And he is our righteousness. In him we have the gift of eternal life and a Heavenly Inheritance. Where he is we will also be with him. He is in Heaven and He is with the Heavenly Father and so do we.

Positionaly we are in him. His Inheritance is Heavenly and we are co-heirs with him. 

This is what Jesus said in John 17:21 FATHER just as you are in me and I am in you. Then he said sometjing about his disciples that may they also be in us. That it was specific about his disciples. 

Did not say anything in that passage about those who will believe from their preaching and that was before he died on the Cross. That the disciples be one in believing in him as none of them go back to Judaism. Knowing about the testing that will come to them when they will see him die. And that all of them to believe and remain in him after he death and resurrection. Giving notice that all of them will believe in him after His resurrection and after his accession. And they did as all of them were present on the day of Pentecost. 

Jesus told something to his disciples to help them with their confusion. John 17:21 NIV (Jesus is praying) that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

I'm not clear what you are saying here . . .  Are you saying Christ is only in certain ones like His 12 disciples?  Christ is surely in all who believe and are regenerated, right?  Please help my understanding of what you are saying bro.

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

I'm not clear what you are saying here . . .  Are you saying Christ is only in certain ones like His 12 disciples?  Christ is surely in all who believe and are regenerated, right?  Please help my understanding of what you are saying bro.

Your comments are made in a context after the Cross. Jesus said this prayer before the Cross and concerning the time when he will not be on earth and will not be in Heaven. His prayer foretold two things what will happened to his disciples after his death that they will be scattered but then they will be together after his resurrection as they were before. And that it was the will of the Father for him to die. Jesus died in the will of the Heavenly Father and the Father will look after his disciples. 

What I am saying is what Jesus said at that specific time within the Sinai Covenant. . And In that specific context because the context was changing, soon we will be in the new covenant but not yet.  This happens before the Cross and very near to the Cross or just about as the Cross or the time for Jesus to die was approaching. 

The time gap between Jesus and his death on the Cross was closing on Jesus. 50 days to his death and then forty days and then the day before the Last Passover. One day before his death on the Cross. And then 21 hours  and counting on the day of his death at three hour before the end of the Passover day and the beginning of the Sabath which was also a High Sabbath the first day of the Unleavened Bread. And the day after the Sabath the day of the offering of the first fruits of the barley season. 

When Jesus said that he had no died yet. We were  still in the Sinai Covenant. 

Edited December 18, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[Michael37]

On 12/18/2024 at 5:09 AM, Your closest friendnt said:

Please tell us the thoughts of the ministry that are behind the first paragraph in your quoted post above. The context inclusive to justify this statement. 

And we will look into John's thoughts from the context he had consider that led Him to make this statement. 

For another thread. 

Essentially this thread explores the analogy a preacher drew between God taking on human form and man being conformed to His image, collectively and metaphorically becoming the body of Christ.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

On 12/16/2024 at 11:14 AM, Vine Abider said:

Not sure your point - are you comparing the idea of incarnation in eastern religions with the biblical account, or do you have a problem with the use of the word incarnation applying to Christ? (or both?)

Incarnation definition (Oxford): a person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or abstract quality.

QUESTION - Do you see Christ as God manifested in the flesh?

Greetings @Vine Abider I have been thinking about this post.