How do we define Idolatry? According to Scripture.

[missmuffet]

8 minutes ago, Jesse_Loves_God said:

Yes or simply things God chose to reveal himself thru.. as in God Revealed Himself at one moment to Abraham as 3 men.. who ate and drank.. but in No way are we commanded to now worship the idea or image of the 3 men seen by Abraham, bc in context that's not a verse about How we are to Actually perform worship of God.. so applying this same knowledge to the Trinity view of Christian...wld not this be a form of Idolatry praying to or worshiping Jesus? Same as the 3 men, or the burning Bush, God Revealed Himself thru 

Only God is worshiped and idolized. Even the angels said not to worship or idolize them.

[Jesse_Loves_God]

30 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Only God is worshiped and idolized. Even the angels said not to worship or idolize them.

Yes but what I'm saying is, how is Actual Worship of Jesus not seen the same way as the 3 figures Abraham saw, or the burning Bush something God Revealed Himself thru..

 

Bc in our instructions from God He tells us How we are permitted to worship Him...

1. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully. Since you saw no form on the day that the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire,beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female,

 

2.“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known,

This all in context is referring to what was seen at Mt Sinai.. as what our guidelines of worship and Idolatry depend on. 

Edited December 20, 2024 by Jesse_Loves_God

[missmuffet]

18 minutes ago, Jesse_Loves_God said:

Yes but what I'm saying is, how is Actual Worship of Jesus not seen the same way as the 3 figures Abraham saw, or the burning Bush something God Revealed Himself thru..

 

Bc in our instructions from God He tells us How we are permitted to worship Him...

1. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully. Since you saw no form on the day that the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire,beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female,

 

2.“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known,

This all in context is referring to what was seen at Mt Sinai.. as what our guidelines of worship and Idolatry depend on. 

I defined what idolatry is. You are speaking of the three figures that Abraham saw. Did he recognize them? Was one of them God? There is a debate in the Christian world about this. I don't have an exact answer for you.

[Jesse_Loves_God]

Just now, missmuffet said:

I defined what idolatry is. You are speaking of the three figures that Abraham saw. Did he recognize them? Was one of them God? There is a debate in the Christian world about this. I don't have an exact answer for you.

Thanks for you response sister.. well in likeness to what many Christians worship in Jesus, is similar to what Abraham saw God reveal himself thru.. but my main point being that passage is Not a instruction on How to worship God..like The event of MT Sinai is.  Where we are not to worship anything the Fathers did not know. And this wld of course include the worship of Jesus as God. And this wld fall under Idolatry.. it's one thing to say He is Messiah.. it's another to Worship Messiah as God.  According to Scripture.

[bropro]

2 hours ago, Jesse_Loves_God said:

I think it's easy for humans to develop idols, and there's many forms of Idolatry, it's a subject that's similar to a onion, but in my current understanding it really comes down to one event. 

Id like to hear everyone's thoughts on the subject of Idolatry, at big levels and on small levels.  What takes us into that horrible sin? (At the top of the 10 commandments)

What is Idolatry according to God's Word? 

According to the verse below, greed is idolatry. Colossians 3:5 (NLT2)

⁵  So put to death the sinful, earthly things lurking within you. Have nothing to do with sexual immorality, impurity, lust, and evil desires. Don’t be greedy, for a greedy person is an idolater, worshiping the things of this world.
 

And 1 Samuel 15:23 it states that stubbornness is as the sin of idolatry. You can make an idol of just about anything or anybody if they take a higher priority in your life than God.

Gary

[Jesse_Loves_God]

5 minutes ago, bropro said:

According to the verse below, greed is idolatry. Colossians 3:5 (NLT2)

⁵  So put to death the sinful, earthly things lurking within you. Have nothing to do with sexual immorality, impurity, lust, and evil desires. Don’t be greedy, for a greedy person is an idolater, worshiping the things of this world.
 

And 1 Samuel 15:23 it states that stubbornness is as the sin of idolatry. You can make an idol of just about anything or anybody if they take a higher priority in your life than God.

Gary

Great points brother..many layers to Idolatry haha

[missmuffet]

19 minutes ago, Jesse_Loves_God said:

Thanks for you response sister.. well in likeness to what many Christians worship in Jesus, is similar to what Abraham saw God reveal himself thru.. but my main point being that passage is Not a instruction on How to worship God..like The event of MT Sinai is.  Where we are not to worship anything the Fathers did not know. And this wld of course include the worship of Jesus as God. And this wld fall under Idolatry.. it's one thing to say He is Messiah.. it's another to Worship Messiah as God.  According to Scripture.

Jesus is God. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. One God three different persons. We worship God.

Edited December 20, 2024 by missmuffet

[Jesse_Loves_God]

9 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Jesus is God. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. One God three different persons. We worship God.

Okay how does that fit into the context of God word ma'am? 

Concerning the only direct verses that imply how to correctly Worship the God of Abraham? 

 

“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known.. meaning the Fathers at Mt Sinai.

And.

beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female...

 

How can you excuse fuseing ur belief in Messiah to God himself in worship.. without Idolatry.  With Scripture 

 

[enoob57]

3 hours ago, Jesse_Loves_God said:

What is Idolatry according to God's Word?

placing a created thing more important than the Creator of all things...

[enoob57]

49 minutes ago, Jesse_Loves_God said:

How can you excuse fuseing ur belief in Messiah to God himself in worship.. without Idolatry.  With Scripture 

By the claims of Scripture of course:
John 14:9 (KJV)

[9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

[10] Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 8:56 (KJV)

[56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

[57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

[58] Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.