Mathew 23? How does Christianity feel about this Verse?

[Jesse_Loves_God]

When Jesus Taught in Mathew 23, The Pharisees sit in the seat of Moses, there fore whatever they teach you, obey and observe, but do not follow after their acts(paraphrase) bc they Teach well but do not act accordingly. 

Jesus is also seen in many cases in the NT observing oral law, as a rabbinical Jew, also at times denying parts of the oral law, but Never denying direct The law of Moses, actually in this case setting Moses as the highest authority in written Scripture i.e (Moses seat)..

Why Then does Bible believers (Separate from The religion aspect of Christianity, bc I know Christianity believes the Roman church) but not see in that Time obviously Jesus believes the teaching of the Pharisees or Orthodox Jews is A great teaching, but what was flawed was some of them was hypocritical, in that they weighed down their students.. but they themselves didn't carry as much weight as they put on others. Much like a much to strict boot camp Sargent. 

Edited December 23, 2024 by Jesse_Loves_God

[Tristen]

Are you trying to ask why Christians consider ourselves free from the Law of Moses, despite Jesus seemingly advocating for that Law on several occasions?

 

[Luther]

On 12/22/2024 at 7:29 PM, Jesse_Loves_God said:

When Jesus Taught in Mathew 23, The Pharisees sit in the seat of Moses, there fore whatever they teach you, obey and observe, but do not follow after their acts(paraphrase) bc they Teach well but do not act accordingly. 

Jesus is also seen in many cases in the NT observing oral law, as a rabbinical Jew, also at times denying parts of the oral law, but Never denying direct The law of Moses, actually in this case setting Moses as the highest authority in written Scripture i.e (Moses seat)..

Why Then does Bible believers (Separate from The religion aspect of Christianity, bc I know Christianity believes the Roman church) but not see in that Time obviously Jesus believes the teaching of the Pharisees or Orthodox Jews is A great teaching, but what was flawed was some of them was hypocritical, in that they weighed down their students.. but they themselves didn't carry as much weight as they put on others. Much like a much to strict boot camp Sargent. 

I think theses verses might answer your question.

Romans 8:1-4

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

[2]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

[3]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

[4]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

" The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus" is not burdensome. The jews stumbled at that stumbling stone, which is Christ Jesus. 

1 John 5:3

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

[Michael37]

On 12/23/2024 at 1:29 PM, Jesse_Loves_God said:

When Jesus Taught in Mathew 23, The Pharisees sit in the seat of Moses, there fore whatever they teach you, obey and observe, but do not follow after their acts(paraphrase) bc they Teach well but do not act accordingly. 

Jesus is also seen in many cases in the NT observing oral law, as a rabbinical Jew, also at times denying parts of the oral law, but Never denying direct The law of Moses, actually in this case setting Moses as the highest authority in written Scripture i.e (Moses seat)..

Why Then does Bible believers (Separate from The religion aspect of Christianity, bc I know Christianity believes the Roman church) but not see in that Time obviously Jesus believes the teaching of the Pharisees or Orthodox Jews is A great teaching, but what was flawed was some of them was hypocritical, in that they weighed down their students.. but they themselves didn't carry as much weight as they put on others. Much like a much to strict boot camp Sargent. 

I used an app to apply the rules of grammar to the above post. Here's the result:

Let's refine this passage for clarity and readability while retaining the core ideas:

When Jesus taught in Matthew 23, He said, "The Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. Therefore, whatever they teach you, obey and observe, but do not follow their actions, for they teach well but do not act accordingly."

Jesus is also seen in many cases in the New Testament observing oral law as a rabbinical Jew. Sometimes, He denied parts of the oral law but never denied the direct Law of Moses. In this context, Jesus set Moses as the highest authority in written Scripture, i.e., the "seat of Moses."

Why, then, do Bible believers (separate from the religious aspect of Christianity, which often aligns with the Roman Church) not see that Jesus believed the teachings of the Pharisees and Orthodox Jews were valuable? The issue was not their teachings but their hypocrisy. They weighed down their students with heavy burdens but did not carry those burdens themselves, much like an overly strict boot camp sergeant.

Answer from the Book of Hebrews

The Book of Hebrews provides a unique perspective on the relationship between the old covenant, as represented by the Law of Moses, and the new covenant established through Jesus Christ. Here are some key points from Hebrews that relate to your question:

1. Jesus as the Ultimate High Priest

• Hebrews 4:14-16 (NIV): "Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need."

• Explanation: This passage emphasizes Jesus' role as the ultimate high priest who mediates between God and humanity. He empathizes with human weaknesses and provides a path to grace and mercy.

2. The Superiority of Christ’s Sacrifice

• Hebrews 10:11-14 (NIV): "Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy."

• Explanation: The writer of Hebrews contrasts the repeated sacrifices of the old covenant with the single, all-sufficient sacrifice of Jesus, highlighting the superiority of Christ's work over the Levitical priesthood.

3. Faith and Obedience

• Hebrews 11:6 (NIV): "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him."

• Explanation: This verse underscores the importance of faith as the foundation for pleasing God, a central theme throughout the book.

4. The New Covenant

• Hebrews 8:6-13 (NIV): "But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises. For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. ... By calling this covenant 'new,' he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

• Explanation: This passage emphasizes that Jesus mediates a new covenant, which is superior to the old covenant established through Moses. The new covenant brings better promises and supersedes the old one.

Summary

The Book of Hebrews acknowledges the value and significance of the old covenant and the teachings of Moses. However, it emphasizes the superiority of Jesus' ministry, sacrifice, and the new covenant He established. This new covenant fulfills and surpasses the old, offering a more direct and complete relationship with God through faith in Jesus. [Copilot Compiled]

[FreeGrace]

On 12/22/2024 at 7:29 PM, Jesse_Loves_God said:

When Jesus Taught in Mathew 23, The Pharisees sit in the seat of Moses, there fore whatever they teach you, obey and observe, but do not follow after their acts(paraphrase) bc they Teach well but do not act accordingly. 

Jesus is also seen in many cases in the NT observing oral law, as a rabbinical Jew, also at times denying parts of the oral law, but Never denying direct The law of Moses, actually in this case setting Moses as the highest authority in written Scripture i.e (Moses seat)..

Why Then does Bible believers (Separate from The religion aspect of Christianity, bc I know Christianity believes the Roman church) but not see in that Time obviously Jesus believes the teaching of the Pharisees or Orthodox Jews is A great teaching, but what was flawed was some of them was hypocritical, in that they weighed down their students.. but they themselves didn't carry as much weight as they put on others. Much like a much to strict boot camp Sargent. 

What Jesus was teaching, in a word, was "hypocrisy".  iow, He was against hypocrisy and was revealing the hypocrisy of the Pharisees.  

[AdHoc]

On 12/26/2024 at 1:04 AM, Michael37 said:

I used an app to apply the rules of grammar to the above post. Here's the result:

Let's refine this passage for clarity and readability while retaining the core ideas:

When Jesus taught in Matthew 23, He said, "The Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. Therefore, whatever they teach you, obey and observe, but do not follow their actions, for they teach well but do not act accordingly."

Jesus is also seen in many cases in the New Testament observing oral law as a rabbinical Jew. Sometimes, He denied parts of the oral law but never denied the direct Law of Moses. In this context, Jesus set Moses as the highest authority in written Scripture, i.e., the "seat of Moses."

Why, then, do Bible believers (separate from the religious aspect of Christianity, which often aligns with the Roman Church) not see that Jesus believed the teachings of the Pharisees and Orthodox Jews were valuable? The issue was not their teachings but their hypocrisy. They weighed down their students with heavy burdens but did not carry those burdens themselves, much like an overly strict boot camp sergeant.

Answer from the Book of Hebrews

The Book of Hebrews provides a unique perspective on the relationship between the old covenant, as represented by the Law of Moses, and the new covenant established through Jesus Christ. Here are some key points from Hebrews that relate to your question:

1. Jesus as the Ultimate High Priest

• Hebrews 4:14-16 (NIV): "Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need."

• Explanation: This passage emphasizes Jesus' role as the ultimate high priest who mediates between God and humanity. He empathizes with human weaknesses and provides a path to grace and mercy.

2. The Superiority of Christ’s Sacrifice

• Hebrews 10:11-14 (NIV): "Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy."

• Explanation: The writer of Hebrews contrasts the repeated sacrifices of the old covenant with the single, all-sufficient sacrifice of Jesus, highlighting the superiority of Christ's work over the Levitical priesthood.

3. Faith and Obedience

• Hebrews 11:6 (NIV): "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him."

• Explanation: This verse underscores the importance of faith as the foundation for pleasing God, a central theme throughout the book.

4. The New Covenant

• Hebrews 8:6-13 (NIV): "But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises. For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. ... By calling this covenant 'new,' he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

• Explanation: This passage emphasizes that Jesus mediates a new covenant, which is superior to the old covenant established through Moses. The new covenant brings better promises and supersedes the old one.

Summary

The Book of Hebrews acknowledges the value and significance of the old covenant and the teachings of Moses. However, it emphasizes the superiority of Jesus' ministry, sacrifice, and the new covenant He established. This new covenant fulfills and surpasses the old, offering a more direct and complete relationship with God through faith in Jesus. [Copilot Compiled]

 

On 12/26/2024 at 4:59 PM, FreeGrace said:

What Jesus was teaching, in a word, was "hypocrisy".  iow, He was against hypocrisy and was revealing the hypocrisy of the Pharisees.  

There are multiple facets to our Lord's answer. But first I must compliment you @Michael37 on making the OP readable. I always find it a pity when a brother or sister struggles with language. Its accurate transmission of ideas makes life easy. Being a foreigner gets you misunderstood, when you might have much value in your mind.

Background:
The main cause of the Assyrian and Babylonian deportations was idol worship by Israel. The Assyrian captivity was never resolved but 2.5% of the Babylonian captivity returned to build Jerusalem and the Second Temple in preparation for the Messiah. The Jews had learned a lesson and they stuck strictly to the Law of Moses. There were priests enough for the Temple function, but a big problem was that Israel, as per Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28, suffered from foreign rulers. David's line was temporarily on hold. No foreign king would allow another king in Judah. But there was another problem. A man might die for his family. or he might go to battle for his country. But history has shown that a man will die for his eternal future - his RELIGION. Whether as a Muslim for 70 virgins, or a Crusader for indulgences or a Kamikaze for ancestors, a man is most likely to be willing to die for his FAITH.

And this is why Moses gets a better rating than David. Moses gave the Law, enforced the Law, was in the development of the Tabernacle and led Israel through battle and the Law. David only ruled politically.

Wild Beasts:
As Israel entered the Land at Gilgal, God told them that He would not let them conquer the Land too quickly in case the slaughter left too many dead for man to occupy the Land and rule it effectively (Ex.23:29). THIS SHOWS THAT GOD IS A GOD OF GOVERNMENT. He would rather have a hoard of idol worshiping Canaanites than Beasts of the field ruling. God had give the earth to man to rule and nobody else - whether lion or angel. So, although the Pharisees were illegal, God would rather have them tha  the Beasts of the field. The Pharisees not only ruled politically, but recognizing the power of religion, ruled Israel's religion. They were ILLEGAL for Israel, but God deemed it better than wild Beasts.

Widows Houses:
Most false shepherds are cowards and thieves. They show a courageous front but when someone stands up to them, they flee. Added to this, and taking a cue from Solomon, these Pseudo Religious Leaders like money. They rule for hire and the prize to to relieve a widow of her house (Matt.23:14).

What our Lord Jesus was saying was; "Respect law and order, but don't follow the doings of the Pharisees".

[Jedi4Yahweh]

On 12/22/2024 at 6:29 PM, Jesse_Loves_God said:

When Jesus Taught in Mathew 23, The Pharisees sit in the seat of Moses, there fore whatever they teach you, obey and observe, but do not follow after their acts(paraphrase) bc they Teach well but do not act accordingly. 

Jesus is also seen in many cases in the NT observing oral law, as a rabbinical Jew, also at times denying parts of the oral law, but Never denying direct The law of Moses, actually in this case setting Moses as the highest authority in written Scripture i.e (Moses seat)..

Why Then does Bible believers (Separate from The religion aspect of Christianity, bc I know Christianity believes the Roman church) but not see in that Time obviously Jesus believes the teaching of the Pharisees or Orthodox Jews is A great teaching, but what was flawed was some of them was hypocritical, in that they weighed down their students.. but they themselves didn't carry as much weight as they put on others. Much like a much to strict boot camp Sargent. 

The Seat of Moses was a place where the Torah/Law was read to the congregation word for word and unadulterated.   Synagogues had a separate place or podium where they would teach or commentate on what was read from the Law and would add their own thoughts and interpretations, but Jesus specifically says Seat of Moses.  What Jesus was saying is obey the Torah and Law but don't follow that actions and doctrines of the Pharisees who contradict and outright disobey the Law.

Then understood they how that he bade [them] not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. - Mat 16:12 KJV