Selective Rapture

[WilliamL]

42 minutes ago, Locust said:

I don't like the word Raptured .ok it means to be taken up .yet the thought of everyone being taken up  does not fit . 

Matthew 5:5 

to possess the Earth means some one has to be here to possess it 

...but it will be really nice not to be on earth during all the nasty stuff that will take place during the times of the 7 trumpets and the 7 bowls.

Think of it as a time of well-earned R&R after the Great Tribulation.

[Locust]

22 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

...but it will be really nice not to be on earth during all the nasty stuff that will take place during the times of the 7 trumpets and the 7 bowls.

Think of it as a time of well-earned R&R after the Great Tribulation.

to goto heaven and then told you have to leave ?  I think it's not likely

[WilliamL]

3 minutes ago, Locust said:

to goto heaven and then told you have to leave ?  I think it's not likely

In my best understanding at present, it will be more of a choice. Some will stay up, some will return to govern a regenerated earth, and some will be going back and forth.

[FreeGrace]

33 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

...but it will be really nice not to be on earth during all the nasty stuff that will take place during the times of the 7 trumpets and the 7 bowls.

Think of it as a time of well-earned R&R after the Great Tribulation.

1 Cor 15:23 says that "those who belong to Him" (all believers from all of humankind) will be resurrected "when He comes", a direct reference to the Second Advent, per Heb 9:28.  All Scriptural references to resurrection are singular.  There will be a resurrection for the saved and a resurrection for the unsaved.  Dan 12:2, John 5:29 and Acts 24:15 say that.

Rev 20:4-6 refers to the resurrection of the saved "when He comes" at the Second Advent as the FIRST resurrection, with the next one 1,000 years after.

[FreeGrace]

8 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

In my best understanding at present, it will be more of a choice. Some will stay up, some will return to govern a regenerated earth, and some will be going back and forth.

What verses/passages indicate all this?

[WilliamL]

Just now, FreeGrace said:

Rev 20:4-6 refers to the resurrection of the saved "when He comes" at the Second Advent as the FIRST resurrection, with the next one 1,000 years after.

Depends on your understanding of the word "protos." Which can mean "first" in order, but can equally mean first in preeminence.

The witness of the prophetic Word as a whole indicates the latter. See:

78. The "First" Resurrection of Revelation 20:5-6     https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2840-the-“first”-resurrection-of-revelation-205-6/

excerpt:

" In the context of Revelation 20, the Greek word πρωτη primarily means FIRST (FOREMOST) IN PREEMINENCE, NOT ORDER. This word can be used both ways, so context must determine its meaning. Some people presume it can only mean first in order; and therefore, that these souls shall be the first ones to be raised from the dead. This is incorrect. For earlier in Revelation, verse 1:5, we find that Jesus is called “the πρωτοτοκος/first-born of the dead.” Jesus was the first among all men to be resurrected from the dead with an immortalized body: no one else of the dead was immortalized on that same day or before. Others will also have been resurrected from the dead prior to the raising of these Revelation 20:4 saints, including those of the dead who will have been “caught up in clouds” to Jesus long before the Battle of Armageddon; as also will be the killed and quickly-resurrected
Two Witnesses. 1 Thes. 4:14-17; Rev. 11:3ff.

" So the primary meaning here of πρωτη is that Jesus, along with the 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 saints, the Two Witnesses, and the Revelation 20:4 saints, are preeminent in the sense of all together being foremost in status of those who will be resurrected from the dead prior to the Millennial reign of Christ. Because in addition to these, non-believers will also be resurrected from the dead prior to the Millennium. But these will arise unto a very non-preeminent “resurrection of condemnation.” John 5:29; Dan. 12:2; Is. 66:24 "

[WilliamL]

7 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

What verses/passages indicate all this?

Have neither the time nor the inclination to go into this.

[Locust]

4 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

1 Cor 15:23 says that "those who belong to Him" (all believers from all of humankind) will be resurrected "when He comes", a direct reference to the Second Advent, per Heb 9:28.  All Scriptural references to resurrection are singular.  There will be a resurrection for the saved and a resurrection for the unsaved.  Dan 12:2, John 5:29 and Acts 24:15 say that.

Rev 20:4-6 refers to the resurrection of the saved "when He comes" at the Second Advent as the FIRST resurrection, with the next one 1,000 years after.

I hope its ok to disagree with you . we are told there will be a resurrection of the dead .

the thought that it will not happen for 1000 years seems to be in error.

[Locust]

why ?  consider Revelation 20:5 could be read to mean the dead are all ready living but the next step in there lives are about to get even better.

to call them the ''dead'' gives reference from where they came from .they were the dead

Edited January 13 by Locust

[FreeGrace]

13 hours ago, WilliamL said:

  FreeGrace said:

Rev 20:4-6 refers to the resurrection of the saved "when He comes" at the Second Advent as the FIRST resurrection, with the next one 1,000 years after.

Depends on your understanding of the word "protos." Which can mean "first" in order, but can equally mean first in preeminence.

As always, meaning is determined by context.  And in this case, the Bible provides clear context.  As I shared, Dan 12:2, John 5:29 and Acts 24:15 all say there will be a (singular) resurrection for the saved and unsaved.  None of the verses indicate whether they occur at the same time or at different times.

However, 1 Cor 15:23 is very clear that the resurrection of the saved (those who belong to Him) will be "when He comes", indicating the Second Advent (Heb 9:28).

So, that being said, and are facts, Rev 20:4-6 gives us the order of the two resurrections;  the FIRST one is for the saved, shown by the mention of martyrs and Christ's return, and so obviously the resurrection for the unsaved will be AFTER all of them have already died, which will occur at the end of the Millennial Reign of Christ.  At the battle of Gog and Magog, where the nations gather to attack the King in Jerusalem, fire comes down from heaven and FRIES them all.  That means all unbelievers have finally died.  Then Satan and his rebel demons will be cast into the LOF to join the beast and false prophet, who have been there for 1,000 years.  The very next verse begins the GWT judgment text.

So Rev 20:4-6 clearly shows the time span between the TWO resurrections.

13 hours ago, WilliamL said:

The witness of the prophetic Word as a whole indicates the latter.

I just reviewed again the 'witness of the Word as a WHOLE'.  

13 hours ago, WilliamL said:

See:

78. The "First" Resurrection of Revelation 20:5-6     https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2840-the-“first”-resurrection-of-revelation-205-6/

excerpt:

" In the context of Revelation 20, the Greek word πρωτη primarily means FIRST (FOREMOST) IN PREEMINENCE, NOT ORDER. This word can be used both ways, so context must determine its meaning. Some people presume it can only mean first in order; and therefore, that these souls shall be the first ones to be raised from the dead. This is incorrect. For earlier in Revelation, verse 1:5, we find that Jesus is called “the πρωτοτοκος/first-born of the dead.” Jesus was the first among all men to be resurrected from the dead with an immortalized body: no one else of the dead was immortalized on that same day or before. Others will also have been resurrected from the dead prior to the raising of these Revelation 20:4 saints, including those of the dead who will have been “caught up in clouds” to Jesus long before the Battle of Armageddon; as also will be the killed and quickly-resurrected
Two Witnesses. 1 Thes. 4:14-17; Rev. 11:3ff.

" So the primary meaning here of πρωτη is that Jesus, along with the 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 saints, the Two Witnesses, and the Revelation 20:4 saints, are preeminent in the sense of all together being foremost in status of those who will be resurrected from the dead prior to the Millennial reign of Christ. Because in addition to these, non-believers will also be resurrected from the dead prior to the Millennium. But these will arise unto a very non-preeminent “resurrection of condemnation.” John 5:29; Dan. 12:2; Is. 66:24 "

So, you're quoting yourself (??) as a "witness of the prophetic Word"?  Why would quoting yourself make any difference.  You have an opinion, so quoting yourself is only giving your opinion again.

I have given you verses that teach clear facts of the matter.  But you are free to believe what you want.

And you didn't prove that the unbelievers will be resurrected before the Millennium.  And that doesn't make sense because there will be about approx 50% of the human race who survives the tribulation, and they are unbelievers, who will live under the rule of Christ.  The reason there will be a world-wide rebellion at the end of the Millennium is that they will all highly resent Christ and His rule over them.  Recall Rev 16:9,11 say that "men refuse to repent".  These are the people who will populate the earth during the Millennium.  They start out in strong negative volition and end up in stronger negative volition.

So the context for "first resurrection" clearly indicates that the first in order resurrection is for all the saved people, and all the unsaved will be resurrected 1,000 years later.

This is beyond obvious.