Downfall of America and Israel in 2027

[DeighAnn]

On 2/24/2025 at 7:49 AM, Revelation Man said:

The 2nd Advent, where Jesus comes to rule, is not the Rapture. The Rapture IIS CLEARLY us the Church, and Dead in Christ, going to heaven to marry the lamb. Why go to heaven if Jesus is going to be on earth for 1000 years? You are just in error sister, and looks like you will always have this one hang-up/flaw in your thinking. 

REV 19  LET'S look at THE TIMING TOGETHER

 

1And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

ME, I see this as being AFTER THE TRIB, not before.  The saints under the altar HAVE HAD THEIR BLOODSHED AVENGED, so the 'little season' they were told to WAIT FOR has taken place.  


3And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. 5And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

6And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come,

HOW is this PRE - TRIB in anyones mind. 

  This is post trib, post wrath of God, post old heaven and old earth.  

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.


The fine linen is the righteous ACTS of the saints is.  She is arrayed in the RIGHTEOUS ACTS. 


She ISN'T THE RIGHTEOUS ACTS.  SHE ISN'T THE CHURCH....



.9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

BLESSED are they which are called unto THE MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb.  

We are called to the SUPPER, we are not the 'bride' of the Lamb.  And IF we WERE, it wouldn't be SOME PORTION of the body only.  

Surely you can't believe that GOD would have people on earth going through the tribulation/wrath/deception of Satan and a WEDDING taking place in heaven.  I can't think of any words that would ever make that RIGHTEOUS in any way to me.


Where is it written 'the church' is pre trib raptured?  NO WHERE.  

Where is it written Jesus LEAVES AND RETURNS TO HEAVEN?  NO WHERE

Where is it written the church is 'judged' and translated as A GROUP? Doesn't every message to the churches end with HE WHO OVERCOMES?  Where is it written the body is divided?  

Where is it written Jesus LEAVES THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER BEFORE the war in heaven has ENDED?  The church CAN'T be raptured before 'ENEMIES made footstool' can it?  So can't be BEFORE SATAN is cast to earth and Satan cast to earth is ALREADY after PRE TRIB.   

The logistics just don't work. Going to have to go to the GOD CAN DO ANYTHING, He is omnipresent...He knows everything...excuse everyone uses when their theories don't work out.


THAT isn't how the BOOK is written. 

This is what happens when you do not follow Him in the likeness of His resurrection, as that makes you a part of 'the DEAD' who wait for His return when you are told you will NEVER DIE...because then you miss the difference between the Judgment seat of Christ (for those who never die) and the GWTJ (for the dead who ONLY WILL rise at His return) 


I know I KNOW, I am all lost and confused and all the rest but until you can show it is, as it is written, it is nothing more than 'a private interpretation' and I am destined to remain so. 

See we'll just have to wait until.... 
 

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


 

1538. hekastos 
Strong's Lexicon
hekastos: each, every, every one
Original Word: ἕκαστος
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: hekastos
Pronunciation: heh-KAS-tos
Phonetic Spelling: (hek'-as-tos)
Definition: each, every, every one
Meaning: each (of more than two), every one.

Word Origin: Derived from a presumed compound of ἕκας (hekás, meaning "far off") and a derivative of ἵστημι (hístēmi, meaning "to stand").

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: While there is no direct Hebrew equivalent for "hekastos," similar concepts of individuality and personal responsibility can be found in Hebrew words like אִישׁ (ish, meaning "man" or "individual") and כָּל (kol, meaning "all" or "every").

Usage: The Greek word "hekastos" is an adjective used to denote individuality within a group, emphasizing each member or part of a whole. It is often translated as "each" or "every" in English. In the New Testament, it is used to highlight personal responsibility, individual actions, or the distinctiveness of each person or thing within a collective.

Cultural and Historical Background: In the Greco-Roman world, the concept of individuality was often overshadowed by the collective identity of family, tribe, or city-state. However, the New Testament's use of "hekastos" underscores the importance of personal responsibility and individual faith within the Christian community. This reflects a shift towards recognizing the value and accountability of each person before God, a theme that resonates with the biblical emphasis on personal relationship with God and individual moral agency.

HELPS Word-studies
1538 hékastos (from hekas, "separate") – each (individual) unit viewed distinctly, i.e. as opposed to "severally" (as a group).

 

[DeighAnn]

On 2/24/2025 at 8:05 AM, The Light said:

That is not tribulation. Use common sense. Satan gets booted. How is that tribulation of the saints. 

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The Dragon Persecutes the Woman

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

[DeighAnn]

On 2/24/2025 at 8:05 AM, The Light said:

Revelation 14

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

And if you understood what you are reading, you would understand this is also the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal for a harvest.

 Do you ever go and check out things in the original language?  
  What is the current subject/timing given in Rev 14?  You say it is a harvest at the 6th seal, where do you get that?

737. arti 
Strong's Lexicon
arti: Now, at this moment, just now
Original Word: ἄρτι
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: arti
Pronunciation: AR-tee
Phonetic Spelling: (ar'-tee)
Definition: Now, at this moment, just now
Meaning: now, just now, at this moment.

Word Origin: Derived from a root word meaning "to fit" or "to join," indicating a sense of immediacy or present time.

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: While there is no direct Hebrew equivalent for "arti," the concept of immediacy or present time can be found in Hebrew words like עַתָּה (attah, Strong's H6258), which also means "now" or "at this time."

Usage: The Greek adverb "ἄρτι" (arti) is used to denote the present moment or a very recent past. It emphasizes immediacy and is often translated as "now" or "at this moment" in English. It is used to convey a sense of urgency or current relevance in the context of the passage.

Cultural and Historical Background: In the Greco-Roman world, time was often perceived in terms of immediate and practical concerns rather than abstract or linear concepts. The use of "arti" reflects this cultural understanding by focusing on the present moment's significance. In the New Testament, this term is used to highlight the immediacy of an action or event, often in the context of Jesus' teachings or the apostles' writings.

HELPS Word-studies
737 árti (an adverb) – now (this instant); here-and-now; exactly now, in the immediate present.

737 /árti ("now") refers to the present as the time to act – i.e. to live "in the now" (= "being alive unto God" now, cf. Ro 6:11).




In case you forgot....

6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

8And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

The Harvest of the Earth

14And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.



What it SHOULD remind you of is....

8And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. 10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

It is the DEATH in SERVICE to GOD that is BLESSED, not a pre trib harvest.  

[DeighAnn]

On 2/24/2025 at 8:05 AM, The Light said:

Again. You don't understand what you are reading. The day that shall not come until the man of sin is revealed is the Day of the Lord. The Day of the Lord is the day of God's wrath.

Those words are telling you that the gathering will take place before the day of the Lord which is the 7th seal. That is why we see Jesus coming for a harvest at the 6th seal.

Here is the gathering in Mark.

Mark 13

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

that tribulation, IS the sun/sackcloth and moon/blood, Satan cast to the earth.  

24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

 

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Word it how you will, add to it what you may, the reality is

it is AT the 2nd Advent and not before that the alive are changed and gathered...

You are just in error on this Sister, thus its you who are adding your own interpretation, REMEMBER, just because you do not understand something, does not mean others are adding to scriptures. The 7 yearly Feasts to not end at the Feast of Trumps, did you not know this? They end with the Feast of Atonement followed by the Feast of Tabernacles, which is a hint unto us at the history of the World, with the Jews history slap dab in the middle of it all.

1.)Spring Feasts Jesus Fulfilled all three

Then God left Israel deserted for nigh 2000 years and called upon the Gentiles to spread the Gospel worldwide with Jesus as the in waiting Bridegroom & our High Priest in heaven. This is....

2. (The Feast of Weeks/Harvesting of Souls/Church Age

NOTICE The Feast of Weeks or Harvest lasts 2000 some odd years as the Church Age, its the Calling or SERVICE of the Gentiles Period. This period WILL ONLY END.....When Jesus blows the Last Trump which ALWAYS ENDED the Harvest Season. This the Fulness of the Gentiles [SERVICE] will be come in, and the 70th week will start that must see Israel Repent/ATONE and then Dwell with Jesus for 1000 years in the Kingdom Age.

3.) The soon to come Fall Feasts

Jesus will fulfill all three by rapturing the Church PRE 70TH WEEK, even of you can not grasp this concept my wonderful sister in Christ, it is still going to happen. So, the Feast of Trumps stops the Church Age Harvest, and starts the 70th week which God Himself designed to get Israel to Repent/ATONE and we see them atone in Zech. 13:8-9 JUST BEFORE the Zech. 14:1 DOTL arrives. Then lastly, after Jesus 2nd coming (not before, of course) Israel will DWELL WITH God/Jesus for 1000 years during the Kingdom Age Jesus prophesied unto his Disciples about. Thy Kingdom COME..........COME......COME.... unto earth.

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

As straight a line as possible.  We fall asleep, rise/resurrect just as did Jesus,

No, we are raised at the Pre Trib. Rapture and travel together to be with the Lord just as 1 Cor. 15 tells us. We all meet in the air and go TOGETHER to be with the Lord.  Jesus brings them with him by raising them from the dead, they sure aren't still alive, TO SLEEP means to rest in the Grave. You rely way too much on the English bible and seemingly do not do deep dives in these translated Greek and Hebrew words. Many Soccer coaches have gotten in trouble speaking in broken English because things sometimes just does not come out right. 

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,

SCHOOL IS IN SESSION



2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

It wasn't close back then, there were things that had to take place.  

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

STRAIGHT LINE AGAIN - the day of Christ's coming, the day when we are 'gathered' to Him is AFTER the deception.

The FALLING AWAY, is the Departure of the Church/Pre Trib. Rapture.  You will find out soon sister. God Bless

[The Light]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

that tribulation, IS the sun/sackcloth and moon/blood, Satan cast to the earth.  

24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

 

You say....."that tribulation,  IS the sun/sackcloth and moon/blood, Satan cast to the earth.  

But the verse you quote says AFTER THAT TRIBULATION ......sun, moon etc.

So that horse never left the gate.

 

 

[DeighAnn]

On 2/24/2025 at 9:27 AM, The Light said:

I think you are saying that it is clear that the marriage supper of the Lamb is AFTER the (judgement of Babylon) and not before.

Yes this is true. 

So, Jesus returns at the 6th seal for the gathering from heaven and earth.

How about just following a logical order....


Seal 5  And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Seal 6

This would be the LITTLE SEASON they are told to rest THROUGH.  



Would it be more LIKELY that SATANs season would come next and in that season they would be killed like those under the altar

or

Would it be more likely that Christ's season would come next and they would be killed?

OR are you saying although they were told to rest a little season, there wasn't one coming?  

IF it is like you said shouldn't those under the altar have been told to


wait

CHRIST WAS going to get their fellowservants and bring them home? 

[The Light]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

 Do you ever go and check out things in the original language?  
  What is the current subject/timing given in Rev 14?  You say it is a harvest at the 6th seal, where do you get that?
 

I understand what I am reading.

Revelation 10

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

When the 7th angels sounds, it's over. The mystery of God is finished. The kingdoms of this world are become kingdoms of our Lord.

That should tell you that Armageddon is already over and the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.

I went through every thing in Revelation 14, the first fruits of the 144,000. The great tribulation 5th seal, the coming of Jesus 6th seal and the wicked being cast into the wrath of God....the 7th seal. If you can't see these thing and draw proper conclusions, I really can't do more than show you.

As far as a harvest being at the 6th seal, I don't know how many times I will have to post this before you can see. It's right there.

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

If you can't draw a proper conclusion from the above information I can't help you.

You should be able to see that Jesus comes at the 6th seal. You should be able to see that He is sending His angels to gather the elect at the 6th seal. You should be able to see that the tribulation of those days, which is the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. You should be able to see that the 7th seal....wrath of God......has not begun.

If you can't see this, there's nothing I can do. THIS IS JUST SIMPLE, BASIC LOGIC.

[The Light]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The Dragon Persecutes the Woman

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Your point is well taken. It is obvious that Satan comes down BEFORE the 6th seal. I should not have grouped him in with the other angels that get kicked out of heaven.

[The Light]

43 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

How about just following a logical order....


Seal 5  And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Seal 6

This would be the LITTLE SEASON they are told to rest THROUGH.  

No. They are told to rest until the great tribulation if over. After it is over, Jesus comes for a harvest at the 6th seal.

43 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 

Would it be more LIKELY that SATANs season would come next and in that season they would be killed like those under the altar

or

Would it be more likely that Christ's season would come next and they would be killed?

OR are you saying although they were told to rest a little season, there wasn't one coming?  

IF it is like you said shouldn't those under the altar have been told to


wait

CHRIST WAS going to get their fellowservants and bring them home? 

No. The fellow servants were going to be killed. Those waiting are told to wait until the great tribulation is over. Jesus then comes for a harvest at the 6th seal and after that the 7th seal, Day of the Lord..........day of vengeance.........one year wrath of God occurs.