Rev. Charles Haddon Spurgeon Free-Will -A Slave

[BornAgain490]

2 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Much of the above doesn't comport when compared with such Scriptures as these which speak to Human Volition as an element that God's Grace has included in His Divine Foreknowledge, Divine Predestination, and Divine Intervention.

Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

Luk 11:28  But He said, "More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!"

Eph 2:1-3  And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,  (2)  in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,  (3)  among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

All the scripture you've cited speak of God's sovereignty over HIS creation. 

[Michael37]

24 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

All the scripture you've cited speak of God's sovereignty over HIS creation. 

Which by design and desire incorporates His gracious inclusion of Human Volition. A topical study of commandments, covenants, and corrections is worth investing in.

[1to3]

Ephesians 5:14-17. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

[FreeGrace]

10 hours ago, 1to3 said:

Gods Word says we are all as fithy rags

Actually, it does not say that.

10 hours ago, 1to3 said:

Isaiah 64:6-7 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Christ jesus said : go and learn what that means

See?  The verse says "all our righteousnesses are filthy rags".  Big difference.  

Now, do you understand what the literal Hebrew word for "filthy rags" really means?

Do you understand what is meant by "our righteousnesses"?

10 hours ago, 1to3 said:

Matthew 9:12-13
When Christ Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice. ' For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

This verse proves that all people are in need of the Savior.  Was there another point that you were thinking of?

[FreeGrace]

8 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

All the scripture you've cited speak of God's sovereignty over HIS creation. 

Why do Calvinists take that to mean that He controls every action in His creation?

[BornAgain490]

10 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Which by design and desire incorporates His gracious inclusion of Human Volition. A topical study of commandments, covenants, and corrections is worth investing in.

Here is the problem with your interpretation: when you say you came to saving faith before God spiritually rebirthed you from spiritully deadness in trespasses and sins, you are trusting in your own righteousness, which is the only logical conclusion one can come to when you believe that saving faith preceded God's Holy Spirit bringing your dead spirit to life. 

[FreeGrace]

5 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Michael37 said:

Which by design and desire incorporates His gracious inclusion of Human Volition. A topical study of commandments, covenants, and corrections is worth investing in.

Here is the problem with your interpretation: when you say you came to saving faith before God spiritually rebirthed you from spiritully deadness in trespasses and sins, you are trusting in your own righteousness

This is a typical fantasy of Calvinists.  They just can't imagine that sovereign God would allow His creatures freedom to choose between Him and anything else.  Well, He did with Satan and the 1/3 of angelic creatures in eternity past when Satan rebelled and gathered the other angels to join him.  God didn't cause any of them to rebel.  They chose to rebel.  But, can a Calvinist understand that?  Seems not.

The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is received by faith.

Gal 3:2 - I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?

v.5 - So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 

The indwelling Holy Spirit is received on the basis of faith, stated plainly here.

Salvation is received on the basis of faith, plainly stated in Eph 2:8.

5 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

which is the only logical conclusion one can come to when you believe that saving faith preceded God's Holy Spirit bringing your dead spirit to life. 

That's because you are unable to understand how God's plan works.  Your talking points keep "filtering" the truth so that you can't see it.  All you see are your talking points, by applying them to every verse you read.

[BornAgain490]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Why do Calvinists take that to mean that He controls every action in His creation?

The undeniable truth is that saving faith justifies us before a thrice Holy God, and it is only God who justifies. 

The problem when you say you came to saving faith BEFORE God spiritually rebirthed you from spiritully deadness, and the only logical conclusion one can come to, is that you put your trust in your own righteousness for salvation, which God sees as filthy rags.  

[BornAgain490]

2 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

This is a typical fantasy of Calvinists.  They just can't imagine that sovereign God would allow His creatures freedom to choose between Him and anything else.  Well, He did with Satan and the 1/3 of angelic creatures in eternity past when Satan rebelled and gathered the other angels to join him.  God didn't cause any of them to rebel.  They chose to rebel.  But, can a Calvinist understand that?  Seems not.

The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is received by faith.

Gal 3:2 - I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?

v.5 - So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 

The indwelling Holy Spirit is received on the basis of faith, stated plainly here.

Salvation is received on the basis of faith, plainly stated in Eph 2:8.

That's because you are unable to understand how God's plan works.  Your talking points keep "filtering" the truth so that you can't see it.  All you see are your talking points, by applying them to every verse you read.

Only God justifies.  If you think you were justified before God because of you self righteous claim of having saving faith before God saved you, I pray that you cry out to God to forgive you for thinking your righteousness had any part in your salvation. Filthy rags, remember? 

[BornAgain490]

8 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

This is a typical fantasy of Calvinists.  They just can't imagine that sovereign God would allow His creatures freedom to choose between Him and anything else.  Well, He did with Satan and the 1/3 of angelic creatures in eternity past when Satan rebelled and gathered the other angels to join him.  God didn't cause any of them to rebel.  They chose to rebel.  But, can a Calvinist understand that?  Seems not.

The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is received by faith.

Gal 3:2 - I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?

v.5 - So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 

The indwelling Holy Spirit is received on the basis of faith, stated plainly here.

Salvation is received on the basis of faith, plainly stated in Eph 2:8.

That's because you are unable to understand how God's plan works.  Your talking points keep "filtering" the truth so that you can't see it.  All you see are your talking points, by applying them to every verse you read.

You're self righteous to believe you came to saving faith before God saved you.  Filthy rags.