Rev. Charles Haddon Spurgeon Free-Will -A Slave

[FreeGrace]

27 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

Do you agree, then, as one of God's elect, that God called you according to His purpose, that you responded to God's call, and that God alone justified you?

I don't buy the Calvinist jargon.  The verse about "many are called and few are chosen" refers to the FACT that the gift of salvation is offered to everyone, per Titus 2:11.  Those who believe the promise of eternal life for those who believe in His Son are chosen for service.  As to who justifies me, Rom 3 and 4 are very clear:  God justifies people on the basis of faith.

Rom 3:28 - For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Rom 5:1 - Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Gal 2:16 - know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

27 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

When the Holy Spirit moves to regenerate a man's spirit, He brings with Him at that moment in time, by His sovereign grace, the coterminous gifts of salvation and justifying faith.

No, the Bible does not say that.  

In Eph 2:5, Paul equates "being made alive" with "being saved".  Meaning, they go together.  Can't have one without the other.  The Calvinist view is that regeneration precedes faith and salvation.

Then, in v.8 Paul says plainly, "we are saved by grace THROUGH faith".  I capitalized the word "through" which proves that faith precedes both salvation and regeneration.

27 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

God, from before He created the world, foreknows His elect and predestinates His elect to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.

The word "us" in Eph 1:4 is defined in v.19 as "us who BELIEVE".  

So, from Romans 8, God predestines those who believe to be conformed to the image of His Son.  And that will occur at the resurrection, when all believers receive a resurrection body just like His.

27 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

  God then calls His elect, then justifies His elect with saving faith, for it God alone that justifies, then God glorifies His elect.  (Romans 8:28-33).

God never "justifies His elect with saving faith".  That is just a Calvinist talking point, but has no Scriptural support.

Rather, 1 Cor 1:21 says that "God is pleased . . . to save those who believe".

The issue throughout Scripture is believing or faith.  Why Calvinists ignore that and but their emphasis on election is baffling.

Furthermore, no verse says that God elects to salvation.  In EVERY verse on election where the purpose is mentioned, it is ALWAYS about service.  Never about salvation.

[BornAgain490]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Furthermore, no verse says that God elects to salvation.  In EVERY verse on election where the purpose is mentioned, it is ALWAYS about service.  Never about salvation.

God glorifies only those whom He has eternally saved, which Paul refers to as God's elect. 

The elect that are eternally saved are foreknown by God as His elect,  predestinated by God as His elect, called by God as His elect, justified by God as His elect, and glorified by God as His elect.  This is what Romans 8:28-33 confirms. If you think otherwise, then you're not thinking biblically. 

[BornAgain490]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

1 hour ago, BornAgain490 said:

Do you agree, then, as one of God's elect, that God called you according to His purpose, that you responded to God's call, and that God alone justified you?

I don't buy the Calvinist jargon

That's not Calvinism; that's the Bible. 

[Neighbor]

5 hours ago, Fran C said:

Guess He's not merciful enough and does not have enough grace to allow all of His creation to enjoy these same gifts!

Hi,  seems to me that God has chosen to save any of his creation  is a mercy that has come at great price to Him.

..."Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.  For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.  Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified."....

Praise God for calling!

[BornAgain490]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

no verse says that God elects to salvation.  In EVERY verse on election where the purpose is mentioned, it is ALWAYS about service.  Never about salvation.

Ephesians 1:4–6 says, “For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves."

Only the elect are saved, chosen in Christ before the creation of the world. 

Only the elect are saved and considered holy and blameless in God's sight.

Only the elect are saved and loved of God and predestined to be adopted as sons through Jesus Christ. 

Only the elect are saved and the recipients of God's sovereign glorious grace.  

 

[farouk]

1 hour ago, BornAgain490 said:

Ephesians 1:4–6 says, “For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves."

Only the elect are saved, chosen in Christ before the creation of the world. 

Only the elect are saved and considered holy and blameless in God's sight.

Only the elect are saved and loved of God and predestined to be adopted as sons through Jesus Christ. 

Only the elect are saved and the recipients of God's sovereign glorious grace.  

 

Hi @BornAgain490 It does beg the question indeed: If all of grace, then how can anything be of the flesh?

[BornAgain490]

2 minutes ago, farouk said:

Hi @BornAgain490 It does beg the question indeed: If all of grace, then how can anything be of the flesh?

I'm not clear what you're asking. Would you mind elaborating?

[farouk]

14 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

I'm not clear what you're asking. Would you mind elaborating?

I was saying that your comments are underlined by the fact that it's all of grace; it must be and can only be.........

[Fran C]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

Hi,  seems to me that God has chosen to save any of his creation  is a mercy that has come at great price to Him.

How is there any mercy without justice?  Could we have your definition of justice?  I doubt it since it would negate reformed theology; however, I do like to ask this although I haven't received a reply yet.

 

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

..."Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Could you post the verse please?  Book, Chapter, Verse number.  Thanks.

I guess you're referring to

Romans 8:27

   26In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 

27and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

As you can clearly see, Paul is speaking about how it's difficult to pray at times.  The Holy Spirit Himself intercedes for us.

We are to pray as Jesus did....He said:  Your will be done.  Prayer should be aligned with what God would want for our life.  

Jesus said t he Holy Spirit would guide us...He guides us in the direction we should go as God would want in our life.

Man that knows God is most secure in God when He obeys God's commandments for his life.

If you care to respong....do so explaining your understanding of this verse.

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.

1.  Indeed, anything that happens to us we will attribute a good ending for it, knowing that God does what is best for us and trusting in His knowledge and understanding.

2.  Please not that we are called.....FOR PURPOSE.

We are predestined, but for PURPOSE or for METHOD.

NEVER is a person predestinated for heaven or hell.  This is found nowhere in  the NT.

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

 

 For whom He foreknew,

Correct.  God foreknew who would accept His offer of salvation.

John 3:16

  16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 

WHOEVER believes will not perish.

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

 

 He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Correct again.

God predestined us to be conformed to the image of His Son.

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

 

 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified."....

Praise God for calling!

Amen.

[BornAgain490]

5 minutes ago, farouk said:

I was saying that your comments are underlined by the fact that it's all of grace; it must be and can only be.........

Amen. 

Romans 9:14-15.  "Is there  unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!  For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”