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The resurrection of Christ was more than Him coming back to life. It was the entrance of something totally new in the universe. Therefore it was a birth of the completely new matter.  

The resurrection of the redeemed, regeneratedm, sanctified, transformed, conformed, tranfigured and glorified saved is also following Christ as a new matter in the universe. 

I will write about both. Starting with Christ who is called "the Beginning, the Firstborn from the dead".

 And He is the Head of the Body, the church; He is the beginning, the Firstborn from the dead, (Col. 1:18)


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8 minutes ago, Feedmysheep said:

The resurrection of Christ was more than Him coming back to life. It was the entrance of something totally new in the universe. Therefore it was a birth of the completely new matter.  

The resurrection of the redeemed, regeneratedm, sanctified, transformed, conformed, tranfigured and glorified saved is also following Christ as a new matter in the universe. 

I will write about both. Starting with Christ who is called "the Beginning, the Firstborn from the dead".

 And He is the Head of the Body, the church; He is the beginning, the Firstborn from the dead, (Col. 1:18)

May your research and report be inspired. Go for it brother!


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Christ as the Firstborn from the dead is not to be confused with Christ as the Firstborn of all creation. The latter term involves Christ's incarnation. The former term involves His resurrection. 

Colossians covers both Christ as the Firstborn of all creation and the Beginning, the  Firstborn from the dead.

 

Who is the image of the invisible God, the Firstborn of all creation,

Because in Him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and unto Him.

And He is before all things, and all things cohere in Him;

And He is the Head of the Body, the church; He is the beginning, the Firstborn from the dead, that He Himself might have the first place in all things;

I am more concerned here with "the Beginning, the Firstborn from the dead".   But because the Apostle Paul wanted to establish that Christ is maximally preeminent in every realm, he wrote "that He Himself might havefirst place in all things." 

In the old creation Christ as a created man made that human being the top created thing of all created things. God is uncreated and eternal.But God clothed Himself with flesh. The Word became flesh (John 1:14). In doing so the created man of flesh became the topmost important item in all creation - the Firstborn of all creation.

In resurrection He brought back to the eternal throne of God an uplifted and glorified humanity which He will never again put away for all eternity. This was something new. And this was "the Beginning" of a new God-man "species". He is now "the Beginning, the Firstborn from the dead." 

Will see more how Christ's resurrection was the BIRTH of the Firstborn Son of God - much more than merely coming back to life. But He initiated the new creation - the mingling of divinity and humanity upon the eternal throne for all eternity.

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21 minutes ago, Feedmysheep said:

The resurrection of Christ was more than Him coming back to life. It was the entrance of something totally new in the universe. Therefore it was a birth of the completely new matter.  

The resurrection of the redeemed, regeneratedm, sanctified, transformed, conformed, tranfigured and glorified saved is also following Christ as a new matter in the universe. 

I will write about both. Starting with Christ who is called "the Beginning, the Firstborn from the dead".

 And He is the Head of the Body, the church; He is the beginning, the Firstborn from the dead, (Col. 1:18)

Yes, a brand new critter (as one brother I know likes to say) - many sons brought into glory by the one grain falling into the ground to die!


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9 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

May your research and report be inspired. Go for it brother!

Thanks and your prayers would be a blessing. 

I hope it may help some who found it difficult to see the man-child in Revelation 12 is the BIRTH of people in resurrection conformed to the image of the  Firstborn Son of God - Christ. 

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In Acts 13 the Apostle Paul spoke of David's descendent or his seed as being born on the day of Christ's resurrection. 

That God has fully fulfilled this promise to us their children in raising up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, “You are My Son; this day have I begotten You.” (Acts 13:33) 

"[T]his day" is the day of Christ's resurrection here. 

  The day of His resurrection Christ went from being the Only-begotten Son of God to being the Firstborn in resurrection.  That is the meaning here of "You are My Son; this day [of resurrection] I have begotten You." 

I do not mean that Christ was no longer the Onlybegotten Son when He raised from the dead. I mean He took on an additional new status as the Firstborn Son, the Firstborn from the dead. 

Jesus Christ is on one hand that Only-begotten Son given to redeem sinners through His death. And on the other hand He is now the Firstborn Son to whom we who are saved are destined to be conformed. 

Because those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many brothers; (Rom. 8:28) 

On the day Christ was resurrected He was also BORN the Firstborn Son of God as the Head of a new humanity we saved are destined to fully participate in. So Hebrews says that it is the Firstborn that is leading many sons into glory. And it is the Firstborn who brings with Him into the inhabited earth brothers. 

And when He brings again the Firstborn into the inhabited earth, (Hebrews 1:6a)

For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and through whom are all things, in leading many sons into glory, to make the Author of their salvation perfect through sufferings. (Heb. 2:10)

 

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9 minutes ago, Feedmysheep said:

Christ as the Firstborn from the dead is not to be confused with Christ as the Firstborn of all creation. The latter term involves Christ's incarnation. The former term involves His resurrection. 

Colossians covers both Christ as the Firstborn of all creation and the Beginning, the  Firstborn from the dead.

 

Who is the image of the invisible God, the Firstborn of all creation,

Because in Him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and unto Him.

And He is before all things, and all things cohere in Him;

And He is the Head of the Body, the church; He is the beginning, the Firstborn from the dead, that He Himself might have the first place in all things;

I am more concerned here with "the Beginning, the Firstborn from the dead".   But because the Apostle Paul wanted to establish that Christ is maximally preeminent in every realm, he wrote "that He Himself might havefirst place in all things." 

In the old creation Christ as a created man made that human being the top created thing of all created things. God is uncreated and eternal.But God clothed Himself with flesh. The Word became flesh (John 1:14). In doing so the created man of flesh became the topmost important item in all creation - the Firstborn of all creation.

In resurrection He brought back to the eternal throne of God an uplifted and glorified humanity which He will never again put away for all eternity. This was something new. And this was "the Beginning" of a new God-man "species". He is now "the Beginning, the Firstborn from the dead." 

Will see more how Christ's resurrection was the BIRTH of the Firstborn Son of God - much more than merely coming back to life. But He initiated the new creation - the mingling of divinity and humanity upon the eternal throne for all eternity.

 

 

 

 

You have your work cut out for you. There is a New Creation in Colossians, based on resurrection. All men join in this because all men are to be resurrected (1 Cor.15:22, John.5:28-99). But there is another New Creature taken out of Two entities in Ephesians 2:15. Not all men partake of this New Man. In it old things are passed away, including ethnicity (Gal.3:28, Col.3:11). There is NO Jew and NO Greek in the New Man. But in New Jerusalem which comes down from a New Heaven, we have Church, Israel and the Nations.

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20 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Yes, a brand new critter (as one brother I know likes to say) - many sons brought into glory by the one grain falling into the ground to die!

Exactly. Christ died and rose to duplicate His sonship among many sons as a mass production. 

 Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless the grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it abides alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.  (John 2:24) 

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21 minutes ago, Feedmysheep said:

Exactly. Christ died and rose to duplicate His sonship among many sons as a mass production. 

 Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless the grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it abides alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.  (John 2:24) 

And this is the part that many don't realize - the expansion of the Firstborn through Christ in us, the only hope of glory!

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4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

But there is another New Creature taken out of Two entities in Ephesians 2:15. Not all men partake of this New Man. In it old things are passed away, including ethnicity (Gal.3:28, Col.3:11). There is NO Jew and NO Greek in the New Man. But in New Jerusalem which comes down from a New Heaven, we have Church, Israel and the Nations.

<<<You have your work cut out for you. There is a New Creation in Colossians, based on resurrection.>>>

Amen. That is what the resurrection of Christ brings into being - a new creation.

<<<All men join in this because all men are to be resurrected (1 Cor.15:22, John.5:28-99).>>>

Let's check. 1 Cor. 15:22 - For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

                   Christ is the second man, the last Adam who became a divine life giving Spirit to create in Himself a new divinized humanity. That is people whose destiny in Christ is to be filled with God's life - God-men. 

Of course only those resurrected with the indwelling life giving pneumatic Christ enter into this new "species"of divinized human beings. 

Let's also see John 5:28-29 - Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming in which all in the tombs will hear His voice And will come forth: those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have practiced evil, to the resurrection of judgment.

  All the dead will come out of death. But only the ones who have done the good of receiving Christ as Lord and Savior are those resurrected to the divine and eternal life. The unbelievers are resrurrected to eternal judgment. 

 The ones in verse 29 raised to "the resurrection of life" are in the tombs or in Hades physically dead yet with God's life already in their human spirit.

  The ones in  verse 25 are alive and receive the resurrection life Christ even  before they physically expire. Here is verse 25 - Truly, truly, I say to you, An hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. (John 5:25)

The footnotes on these two sections in the Recovery Version is very good:

25(1) - Not those who are dead physically but those who are dead in spirit, in accordance with Eph. 2:1,5 and Col. 2:13. Hence,in this verse [25] to live means to be alive in spirit. It does not mean signify resurrection of the physicalbody, which is ,emtipnedd in vs 28-29.

 28(1) - "Referring to those who are dead physically and are buried in a tomb. Hence, their comingforth from the tomb in v. 29 is the resurrection of the physical body."

29(1) - "This is the resurrection of the saved believers, which will take place before the millennium (Rev. 20:4, 6, 1 Cor. 15:23, 52; 1 Thess. 4:16). at the Lord Jesus'coming back, the dead believers willbe resurrected to enjoy eternal life. Hence , this is called the resurrection of life."

 29(3) - "This is the resurrection of the unbelievers who have perished; it will take place after the millennium (Rev. 20:5, 12). All the dead unbelievers will be resurrected after the thousand years to be judged at the great white throne (Rev. 20:11-15). Hence this resurrection is called the resurrection of judgment. In this chapter vv. 24-26 speak concerning the enlivening of the spirit; vv. 28-29, concerning the resurrection of the whole being, including the body." 

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