Questions about Jesus's return and what happens thereafter

[Indentured Servant]

8 minutes ago, Keras said:

Ethnic Israel is rejected..

Have you read God's promise to return to "ethnic" Israel? Do you know the Prophets words?

What you are conveying is a doctrinal interpretation of Scripture... But, what does scripture actually say about the return of Israel to God? Please read the prophets, all of them, before resting on a doctrine that has left out portions of the Word of God. 

[Marston]

So Jesus will rule the world and it will be Heaven on Earth but then Satan will be released and lead Gog and Magog against Israel???  

That doesn't make sense to me.

[Keras]

15 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

Have you read God's promise to return to "ethnic" Israel? Do you know the Prophets words?

What you are conveying is a doctrinal interpretation of Scripture... But, what does scripture actually say about the return of Israel to God? Please read the prophets, all of them, before resting on a doctrine that has left out portions of the Word of God. 

What you need to read is the New Testament. Verses like Matthew 21:43 The Kingdom is taken away from you [Judah] and given to a people who produce the proper fruit. 

Or this one: Luke 19:29 Bring those people who don't want Me for their King and slaughter them before Me. 

Jesus came to offer Salvation to all and He made it very clear, that He was the only way. The Jews not only reject Jesus, they actively hate Him and their fate is well Prophesied; only a remnant will survive. 

It is typical of the deceived and deluded peoples today, to think God still has the Jews as His special people. They do it mainly because they fondly imagine they will be whisked up to heaven, while ethnic Israel goes thru tribulation. All unscriptural lies, that can never happen. 

[Indentured Servant]

1 hour ago, Keras said:

It is typical of the deceived and deluded peoples today, to think God still has the Jews as His special people. They do it mainly because they fondly imagine they will be whisked up to heaven, while ethnic Israel goes thru tribulation.

Are you implying that I am deceived or deluded because I believe God will keep His promise to Israel according to scripture?

I find that to be a common tactic some use when they lack the confidence of proper knowledge of God's Word. It's childish and I don't entertain such passive-aggressive comments.

As far as imagining "being whisked away to heaven," that's just a weird thing to say, and even weirder to make such a statement outside the flow of the at-hand conversation. I perceive it's part of your insecurity to paint me as a deluded, poorly indoctrinated fool by insulting me about something that you assume I believe... Is that really even necessary to have an adult conversation!?

I've previously enjoyed your perspectives on various scriptures, but you seem overly defensive on this one...

 

 

[abcdef]

18 hours ago, Marston said:

So Jesus will rule the world

Jesus rules the kingdom/church from heaven, 33 AD until He comes for the kingdom at the resurrection. 

 

18 hours ago, Marston said:

and it will be Heaven on Earth

Satan is only bound in that he cannot destroy Israel until they return from the gentile nations and restore Jerusalem. Otherwise it is sin as usual.

 

18 hours ago, Marston said:

but then Satan will be released and lead Gog and Magog against Israel??? 

Magog has Jerusalem and Israel surrounded right now.

 

18 hours ago, Marston said:

That doesn't make sense to me.

To understand it, you must abandon some traditional teachings and definitions that are 100's of years old.

The difference is that Jerusalem is now restored, where other theories were made before Jerusalem was restored. 

What happens after Jerusalem is restored is that Jesus comes for the kingdom.

What happens after Jesus comes is the fire from heaven and the stone strikes.

[Keras]

6 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

I believe God will keep His promise to Israel according to scripture.

To which Israel? The one who calls their country The Jewish State of Israel, or the Israel of God - the Christian Overcomers for God, as Paul says 1n Galatians 6:14-16. 

6 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

I've previously enjoyed your perspectives on various scriptures, but you seem overly defensive on this one...

Thank you. 

My task is just to point out the truths of the Prophetic Word.

The issue of who will be the recipients of Gods Promises to Israel, is told to us in: Romans 8:16-18, Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 3:6 & 1:10-14, Colossians 1:12, +

[Indentured Servant]

11 hours ago, Keras said:

To which Israel?

I'll answer this one more time... God knows who Israel is... Our repeatedly expressed ignorance will not hinder Him in identifying them. 

There is one true Israel... The bloodline of Jacob. There isn't a 'secret' Israel, a 'spiritual' Israel, nor a 'replacement' of Israel. 

 

 

[Indentured Servant]

On 1/21/2025 at 12:20 AM, Marston said:

So Jesus will rule the world and it will be Heaven on Earth but then Satan will be released and lead Gog and Magog against Israel???  

That doesn't make sense to me.

God promised Israel that He would rule them and  live among them. The Millennium is His fulfillment of that promise.

Other nations will exist outside of location of New Jerusalem, as Scripture clearly depicts this. The millennium  is primarily for the remnant descendants of Jacob's bloodline... There will be others there- scripture specifically states these will be martyrs of the faith. 

The remaining population of the world, outside New Jerusalem, will continue. Annual delegations will be required to attend a festival, per scripture.

Those outside New Jerusalem continue to live, work, or whatever; but, after 1000 years, the release of the devil will inspire some to lead a rebellion against God... They lose, and then the judgement of those mentioned in Daniel 12:2 and Rev 20.

[Marston]

3 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

God promised Israel that He would rule them and  live among them. The Millennium is His fulfillment of that promise.

Other nations will exist outside of location of New Jerusalem, as Scripture clearly depicts this. The millennium  is primarily for the remnant descendants of Jacob's bloodline... There will be others there- scripture specifically states these will be martyrs of the faith. 

The remaining population of the world, outside New Jerusalem, will continue. Annual delegations will be required to attend a festival, per scripture.

Those outside New Jerusalem continue to live, work, or whatever; but, after 1000 years, the release of the devil will inspire some to lead a rebellion against God... They lose, and then the judgement of those mentioned in Daniel 12:2 and Rev 20.

 

Are you saying that Jesus will only rule in Israel and not the entire world? If so, will Jesus visit Christians in other parts of the world? 

[WilliamL]

On 1/20/2025 at 10:20 PM, Marston said:

So Jesus will rule the world and it will be Heaven on Earth but then Satan will be released and lead Gog and Magog against Israel???  

That doesn't make sense to me.

Lots of parts of the Bible don't make sense to many people. But that doesn't mean that those parts are false; just that people don't believe them.

The Bible doesn't actually teach that "it will be Heaven on Earth" during the Millennium. For example, people will still die during that period. And they will still have free will to rebel against the Lord's authority. They just won't be able to withstand against it.