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On 2/13/2025 at 2:50 AM, D. Adrien said:

Like all unconverted peoples they are flesh driven. Of the world, so I wouldn't set them up on a pedestal. God chose them to carry the word through the generations to the very end of this age and therefore Satan has always been determined to destroy them off the face of his dominion.

 

(Rom.9)

You said: " God chose them to carry the word through the generations to the very end of this age...."

Unbiased fact: Rabbinical (talmudic) Judaism is antithetical to God's word. 

So I also believe that Christians are the caretakers of God's word because they do not deny the Son. 

1 John 2:22 KJV

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


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On 2/13/2025 at 2:12 AM, Marston said:

Sadly, it seems that there is a not-so-insignificant number of Chritians with strong antipathy toward Israel and Jews. I find it to be revolting and shocking. I personally would gladly sacrifice my life to protect Israel. I believe the Jews of Israel to be upstanding, righteous, Godly people. 

 

You said: "I believe the Jews of Israel to be upstanding, righteous, Godly people."

They can't be of God because they deny the Son:

1 John 2:22-23 KJV

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. [23] Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

This would be true, of course, for anyone who is unsaved, not just jews. 

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1 hour ago, Luther said:

You said: " God chose them to carry the word through the generations to the very end of this age...."

Unbiased fact: Rabbinical (talmudic) Judaism is antithetical to God's word. 

So I also believe that Christians are the caretakers of God's word because they do not deny the Son. 

1 John 2:22 KJV

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

The Son of Man was/is of the line of David.


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On 2/13/2025 at 8:03 AM, A Freeman said:

There are many misconceptions that are commonplace throughout Christianity about who the modern "Jews" actually are.

Historically (according to Scripture) Jacob/Israel had 12 sons, one of which (the 4th son) was named "Judah", which is where the term "Jew" originated. Obviously the other 11 were NOT Judah.

After king David and Solomon ruled over a united Israel (all 12 tribes), the kingdom split into two separate kingdoms under Solomon's son Rehoboam, with the 10 northern tribes retaining the name "Israel", i.e. the "House of Israel" (with Samaria as its capital), with the 2 southern tribes of Judah and Benjamin being referred to as the "House of Judah" (with Jerusalem as its capital).

The overwhelming majority of the 10-tribed "House of Israel" were taken into captivity by the Assyrians c. 722 BC, and never returned to their native land. The "House of Israel" fled with the Assyrians before the Babylonian army, which replaced the Assyrians as the regional state superpower.

Over 100 years later, the overwhelming majority of the "House of Judah" were taken into captivity in Babylon, with the main deportation beginning in 604 BC and ending with the destruction of Solomon's Temple in 588 BC. When the "House of Judah" was released from captivity approximately 70 years later, MOST of them stayed in Babylon, as they had intermarried with the Babylonians, and eventually fled together with the Babylonians to Asia Minor (present-day Turkey), as chronicled in Revelation 2 and 3 with the seven communities (ekklesia), before eventually migrating to Rome.

There was only a REMNANT of the 2-tribed "House of Judah" (42,360 Souls – Ezra 2:64, Neh. 7:66) which returned to Jerusalem and the land of Israel from captivity in Babylon; the rest were converts of different or mixed lineages (Ezra 2:59, Ezra 9:2, Neh. 7:61).

It should be self-evident from the above historical record, all of which is recorded in Scripture, that even this REMNANT from the 2-tribe "House of Judah" could not possibly represent the 10-tribed "House of Israel" i.e. the overwhelming majority of the Israelites. And given the historical fact that there have been 3 mass conversions to Talmudic Judaism over the past 2600 years since the captivity of the 2-tribed "House of Judah", the overwhelming majority (>95%) of the people today falsely claiming to be the Biblical "Jews" aren't even Semites by their own admission (Source: Jewish Encyclopedia Statistics).

Genesis 10: 1-3
10:1 Now these [are] the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem (from which ALL Semites are descended), Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

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As can clearly be seen from the passage above, the Ashkenazis are descended from JAPHETH through his son Gomer, NOT from Shem/Sem, from whom all Semites originate.

This is exactly why Christ referred to these people in the following way in Revelation 2 and 3:

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but do LIE; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

Sharing this truth, all of which is straight out of the Bible, is NOT hateful, nor should anyone be offended by it. This is meant as a warning from Christ, which should help everyone better understand what is actually going on today in both the state of Israel in the Middle East and in Ukraine (the Khazarian/Ashkenazi homeland).

 

You are right over the target. Many Christians and non- Christians do not know what's going on because we literally have been deceived into believing that their religion has a Biblical foundation when in fact it does not. Jesus said to the jews:

John 5:44-47 KJV

How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? [45] Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. [46] For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. [47] But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

 

You said: "There was only a REMNANT of the 2-tribed "House of Judah" (42,360 Souls – Ezra 2:64, Neh. 7:66) which returned to Jerusalem and the land of Israel from captivity in Babylon; "

Correct me if I'm wrong but these two tribes would be Juda and Benjamin, in the southern kingdom up until the time of Christ? 


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9 minutes ago, D. Adrien said:

The Son of Man was/is of the line of David.

And Jesus Christ is " David my servant", metaphorically speaking:

Psalm 89:3-4 KJV

I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, [4] Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah.

In the end of this world we are going to worship Jesus, and so will David. 


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On 2/13/2025 at 8:06 AM, Cyoder said:

They had Jesus killed, that could cause some animosity.  Some people just hate what they don't understand.  They are different so they must be inferior somehow.  I look at them as Christians that are uninformed.  Leaders of the Jewish faith have deliberately censored parts of the Torah to exclude Messianic prophecies from the book of Isaiah.  I've watched quite a few people interviewing Jews in Isreal and asking them about the book of Isaiah.  Most have no idea. A lot of them also think that the New Testament is all about hating Jews which is pretty crazy.  Hating anyone just because of their religion is insane.  

You said: "They had Jesus killed"

I'm sorry to seem like I'm nitpicking here, but I would like to remain faithful to God's word. So in actuality, the Jews made an agreement with Pilate:

Matthew 27:21-26 KJV

The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas. [22] Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified. [23] And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. [24] When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. [25] Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. [26] Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.


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2 minutes ago, Luther said:

You said: "They had Jesus killed"

I'm sorry to seem like I'm nitpicking here, but I would like to remain faithful to God's word. So in actuality, the Jews made an agreement with Pilate:

Matthew 27:21-26 KJV

The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas. [22] Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified. [23] And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. [24] When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. [25] Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. [26] Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.

Who said this?

Jn 11:49  And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50  Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51  And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52  And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
 

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If Israel and the Jews are forsaken and irrelevant, why then did God bring them back to Israel?

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7 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Who said this?

Jn 11:49  And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50  Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51  And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52  And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
 

Amen. A positive statement, which is referring to the " nation" of all who will be saved in Jesus Christ, starting in the nation of Israel ( to the Jew first, and also to the Greek). Jesus came first for the "lost sheep of the house of Israel ", meaning that salvation was offered to the Israelites first, before Pentecost. 

Many of them received Jesus and therefore became Christians, and the rest aligned themselves with the religion of the Pharisees:

John 11:45-47 KJV

Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him. [46] But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done. [47] Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.

 


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23 hours ago, Luther said:

The difference is critical. It's through Abraham's ( spiritual) seed that a great nation ( of Christians) is made. 

IMO, what is missing here is the birthright of the firstborn.

The birthright of the firstborn is given a portion above his brethren of his fathers inheritance. But all sons are heirs....

Israel:

Passover: Sparing of the firstborn...

Ex 4:22  And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Ex 4:23  And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.


After the sin of the golden calf, Israel is not called firstborn again. But my point is that does not exclude them as heirs (promises etc.). 

I do agree in a sort with you however..

Heb 11:28  Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
Heb 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, {written: or, enrolled }

 

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