Regeneration/baptism of the holy spirit

[Azzure]

I have come accross the word regeneration and baptism of the holy spirit rebirth renewal and other like wise words there is a thing that I have heard happens to believers after being saved and recieving the holy spirit that is kind of like a second portion of his spirit filling them to the brim with his spirit I just cannot remember the word for it.

But these words caught my attention because I don't think they mean the same thing those two words specifically regeneration and baptism of the holy spirit. to me the word regeneration is one that seems to be a renewal of his spirit a recharge of sorts but whenever I look it up it speaks of it meaning the initial recieving of his spirit when saved but somehow that doesn't feel right to me and then there is the baptism of the holy spirit which I always thought was the initial receiving of his spirit but some have told me it actually is the event I talked about before kind of like a renewal or recharge of the spirit.

Does anyone know anything about this could you maybe point me in the right direction?

[Deborah_]

I think it's confusing because people from different church traditions use these terms differently.

"Regeneration" is technically what happens when we're born again - the Spirit gives us new life.

Baptism with the Holy Spirit is probably something different, even though it may happen at the same time. Pentecostals use it to describe an overwhelming experience of the Spirit, usually connected with speaking in tongues or other spiritual gifts.

[Dennis1209]

Deborah has it right, and here is a dictionary explanation:

regeneration Spiritual rebirth caused supernaturally by the Holy Spirit. Some Christian groups believe that regeneration takes place through or is symbolized by baptism or justification (John 1:12; 3:1–10; Gal. 4:23–29; James 1:15–18; 1 Pet. 1:3, 23; 1 John 2:29). Regeneration, decision for Christ, conversion, and being born again are commonly used as synonyms. However, R. A. Torrey defined regeneration as the new life entering the inner person whereas conversion refers to the outward state of restoration and baptism of the Spirit to the empowerment for Christian service.^[1]

 

 

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^[1] George Thomas Kurian, Nelson’s New Christian Dictionary: The Authoritative Resource on the Christian World (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 2001).

[warrior12]

A visit to a Fundamental Baptist church in your area when they are doing a Baptism ceremony and a visit to a Pentecostal Church that speak in tongues will give you a first hand experience of your pondering of the  two phrases .   Then you can ask the deacons or pastor to give you an explanation of their baptism service.  For real, make a visit to the churches .

Both phrases are relative the same thing, but the acts are quite different if I can term it that .

[Azzure]

thank you all for your replies I think I understand now 

[tatwo]

On 2/20/2025 at 11:43 AM, Azzure said:

Does anyone know anything about this could you maybe point me in the right direction?

I think I understand what you are saying…maybe. You seem to be speaking of a “two step – multi step” process…right? Here is a brief look at some situations from the scriptures that may be of assistance to you Azzure.

In John 3 in the first 15 verses you have the Lord Himself laying out what might be seen as a “two step” process if you will?

“Born again” allows one to “see” the Kingdom of God…

     Salvation or “saved” from the kingdom of darkness?

“Born of the water and Spirit” is ones “empowering birth” into the Kingdom of God

     Birthed into…washed and empowered for life in the spiritual Kingdom of God?

In John 20:21-23 we see the Lord “breathing” upon the 12 and saying “Receive the Holy Spirit”

     Previously they had been baptized by John

     Here they receive the Holy Spirit...Salvation or saved?

Then in Acts 1 the Lord Yahshua says to the same people “after” He had “breathed” the Holy Spirit upon them…”John baptized you with water”…“but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”  They were washed and had received the Holy Spirit…

Were baptized in water by John

     Washed?

Will be baptized with the Holy Spirit

     Birthed and Empowered for Kingdom of God life on earth?

Then a bit later in Acts 1 the Lord explains things like this…“you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you” They had previously been…

Washed by John…cleansed in the Word symbolized by water.

Saved by the Lord Himself…He breathed the Holy Spirit upon them

Were soon to be empowered by the receiving the Holy Spirit

Later on in Acts 19 Paul and Apollos encounter some ”disciples”…so they were “disciples” as Paul recognized and categorized them…and upon his questioning of them he found that they were baptized in water by John…So Paul proceeds to “baptize” them in the “name of” [by His authority] the Lord Yahshua in water no doubt? Then after that…Paul “lays his hands” on them and they “receive” the Holy Spirit.

Believers washed unto repentance by John

Disciples washed in the authority of the Lord

Receiving the empowerment of the Holy Spirit

Helpful?

Tatwo...:)

[Azzure]

2 hours ago, tatwo said:

I think I understand what you are saying…maybe. You seem to be speaking of a “two step – multi step” process…right? Here is a brief look at some situations from the scriptures that may be of assistance to you Azzure.

In John 3 in the first 15 verses you have the Lord Himself laying out what might be seen as a “two step” process if you will?

“Born again” allows one to “see” the Kingdom of God…

     Salvation or “saved” from the kingdom of darkness?

“Born of the water and Spirit” is ones “empowering birth” into the Kingdom of God

     Birthed into…washed and empowered for life in the spiritual Kingdom of God?

In John 20:21-23 we see the Lord “breathing” upon the 12 and saying “Receive the Holy Spirit”

     Previously they had been baptized by John

     Here they receive the Holy Spirit...Salvation or saved?

Then in Acts 1 the Lord Yahshua says to the same people “after” He had “breathed” the Holy Spirit upon them…”John baptized you with water”…“but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”  They were washed and had received the Holy Spirit…

Were baptized in water by John

     Washed?

Will be baptized with the Holy Spirit

     Birthed and Empowered for Kingdom of God life on earth?

Then a bit later in Acts 1 the Lord explains things like this…“you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you” They had previously been…

Washed by John…cleansed in the Word symbolized by water.

Saved by the Lord Himself…He breathed the Holy Spirit upon them

Were soon to be empowered by the receiving the Holy Spirit

Later on in Acts 19 Paul and Apollos encounter some ”disciples”…so they were “disciples” as Paul recognized and categorized them…and upon his questioning of them he found that they were baptized in water by John…So Paul proceeds to “baptize” them in the “name of” [by His authority] the Lord Yahshua in water no doubt? Then after that…Paul “lays his hands” on them and they “receive” the Holy Spirit.

Believers washed unto repentance by John

Disciples washed in the authority of the Lord

Receiving the empowerment of the Holy Spirit

Helpful?

Tatwo...:)

yes very helpful thank you, I never considered that they techically recieved in three parts first water by john then brethed by Jesus then baptized in the spirit in acts