The 'sin of Adam' by which we are condemned is 'Unbelief.'

[PATrobas]

1 hour ago, kwikphilly said:

Man cannot serve another god- Disobedience was Adam's sin

My point was, and still is, that the disobedience was the result or manifestation of him not believing God. The NT explanation is Romans 5. i.e. we are sinners not because we commit sins but because we are in Adam with his nature - unbelief. Likewise we are righteous, not because of what we do (good works) but because we are in Christ and the result of being in Him is good works because we believe. Again, John 3:18 

He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 

Sins, good/bad works or deeds are all a result of who we are in; Adam or Christ.

 

[enoob57]

On 2/22/2025 at 9:38 AM, Anne2 said:

Scripture says sin was in the world, but it was not imputed. The imputation of sin began with the law.

This from God
Genesis 2:17 (KJV)

[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Is this not law from God?

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, PATrobas said:

My point was, and still is, that the disobedience was the result or manifestation of him not believing God.

Then as others and myself have stated Adam would have been deceived like Eve but God says he was not... He disobeyed with full knowledge of what He was doing...

[Anne2]

2 hours ago, enoob57 said:

This from God
Genesis 2:17 (KJV)

[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Is this not law from God?

 

Yes it is law. The law of faith. Not Law from Sinai. I believe law from Sinai is the choosing/calling of Isreal to impute sin (bring God's judgement for wickedness) on those nations. Prior to that it appears to be men calling on God to judge the cause between them. Even their blood from the ground.

Ge 4:10  And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground. {blood: Heb. bloods }
Ge 4:11  And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand;
Ge 9:4  But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Ge 9:5  And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man.
Ge 9:6  Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
 

Edited February 24 by Anne2

[enoob57]

24 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Yes it is law. The law of faith.

Biblical faith is defined for us
Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)
[11:1] Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Commandment - Not eating - this tree-> is all objective truth of a physical nature in which our senses required no faith at all... but the death aspect after eating was not yet in existence in the physical world this portion was of faith but was only reality if the objective aspect was ignored!

24 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Prior to that it appears to be men calling on God to judge the cause between them.

Scripture also says we have a God given conscience that can guide us but is defeatable by continuing to violate it... but the law of not eating of the tree is law just like ten commandments only in reverse!

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

Biblical faith is defined for us
Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)
[11:1] Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

For God's promises he must give them to believe them.

 

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

Commandment - Not eating - this tree-> is all objective truth of a physical nature in which our senses required no faith at all... but the death aspect after eating was not yet in existence in the physical world this portion was of faith but was only reality if the objective aspect was ignored!

A lack of Faith, is having no fear of God. They simply do not believe the consequences will happen which God spoke. They think hem neither truthful, nor capable.

 

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

Scripture also says we have a God given conscience that can guide us but is defeatable by continuing to violate it... but the law of not eating of the tree is law just like ten commandments only in reverse!

the consequences of disobedience. Don't do unto others, what you do not want done to you..

We also know men at one time knew God.

God called Israel out to bring judgement and destruction on specific nations for their wickedness. Which judgement was prior to and apart from the law....

The death we die in Adam, all die

Nu 16:29  If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; then the LORD hath not sent me.

The death men die by provocation of the Lord

30  But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.

Edited February 24 by Anne2

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, enoob57 said:

Biblical faith is defined for us
Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)
[11:1] Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

We need to be very careful when we say that because it can be used as a weapon to point to Heaven without faith in Jesus Christ. 

The Christian faith in Jesus Christ is founded in the work of the Holy Spirit and the proclamation of faith in the Gospel of JesusChrist. And the eye witness of the disciples and hundred others. And in the witness of the Spirit of Truth. 

Edited February 24 by Your closest friendnt