Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 4/29/2025 at 8:44 AM, truth7t7 said:

The temple seen in Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is nothing more than the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built 536BC

Therefore Ezekiel chapters 40-46 is Not describing the ultimate end.

On 4/29/2025 at 8:44 AM, truth7t7 said:

where animal sacrifice for "Sin" was was instructed by "God", prior to the shed blood of Jesus Christ on Calvary, don't be deceived

And it shall be the Princes part to prepare all sacrifices.
Ezekiel 45:17

That is a clear change of old testament law,
marking a different time.

 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

19 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

That is not what the Bible says.

Revelation 20 specifically mentions the 1,000 years five times.

Revelation 19:21 says Jesus spews fire from His mouth.

Revelation 20:9 is the final fire sent down by the Father
that destroys sky land and sea resulting in Revelation 21:1.

Revelation 21:1 is clearly not referring to a modern understanding
of a 'globe' but rather to sky land and sea.

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Therefore Ezekiel chapters 40-46 is Not describing the ultimate end.

And it shall be the Princes part to prepare all sacrifices.
Ezekiel 45:17

That is a clear change of old testament law,
marking a different time.

 

Many Claim Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 Represents A Future Millennial Temple On This Earth, Is This True?

As clearly shown, Ezekiel Chapter 43 showed the temple "Pattern" to the House of Israel in the Babylonian Captivity let "Them" measure, Ezekiel was instructed to write the ordinances and law in "Their" sight, that "They" keep them, not some future generation as many "Falsely" claim

The temple seen in Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is nothing more than the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity, where animal sacrifice for "Sin" was was instructed by "God", prior to the shed blood of Jesus Christ on Calvary, don't be deceived

Ezekiel 43:10-11 & 19-21KJV

10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.

11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

 

19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.

20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.

21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Revelation 20 specifically mentions the 1,000 years five times.

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

[Retrobyter]

On 5/1/2025 at 12:28 AM, truth7t7 said:

Ezekiel Chapter 47 & 48 Is The Eternal Kingdom, Dont Be Deceived

Seen In Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine, Same Gates Of New Jerusalem With The Names Of The 12 Tribes Of Israel

Shalom, @truth7t7.

One thing a person will learn in geometry is that triangles may be similar but they are not necessarily equal. Similar triangles have all the same angles, and in the same relationship, look exactly like each other, except that the lengths of their sides are not the same! One of the triangles will have proportionally longer or shorter sides than the other.

The same is true fro the things mentioned in Ezekiel when compared to the things mentioned in Revelation. THE SIZES DON'T MATCH! The New Jerusalem will be CONSIDERABLY bigger than the Ezekiel city! The city in Ezekiel's prophecy will be at best a scale model of the New Jerusalem.

 

On 5/1/2025 at 12:28 AM, truth7t7 said:

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV

12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

First, let's investigate this "river":

Ezekiel says,

Ezekiel 47:1-11 (KJV)

1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house [stood toward] the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south [side] of the altar. 2 Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side. 3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters [were] to the ankles. 4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters [were] to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters [were] to the loins. 5 Afterward he measured a thousand; [and it was] a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.

6 And he said unto me,

"Son of man, hast thou seen [this]?"

Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river. 7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river [were] very many trees on the one side and on the other. 8 Then said he unto me,

"These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea (the Dead Sea): [which being] brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed. 9 And it shall come to pass, [that] every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh. 10 And it shall come to pass, [that] the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a [place] to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea (the Mediterranean Sea), exceeding many. 11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt."

But, before we can investigate its comparison to the New Jerusalem's river SYSTEM, we must first compare the cities themselves.

 

First, let's compare the sizes of the cities:

The area that is divided among the 12 Tribes of Israel is found in Ezekiel 47:13-23. It's the land from Damascus down to "And the south side southward, from Tamar even to the waters of strife in Kadesh, the (seasonal) river (a wadi) to the great sea. And this is the south side southward." (Ezek. 47:19). It maps out a rectangular area that has a diagonal from Damascus to the mouth of this Wadi Al-'Arish at the western end of the Suez Canal is about 242 miles in length "as the crow flies." If the "River of Egypt" is actually the Nile itself, this distance may be as long as 280 miles, and might include the "Land of Goshen" where the children of Israel once made their home. Taking the more conservative number, we're looking at a diagonal distance of this Land of 242 miles. giving us a rectangle of 50 miles by 237 miles. Dividing that 237 miles by (12 + 2.5 =14.5 units)= 16.34 miles. Dividing that number by the 10000 units, gives us 8 ft 7.5 in / unit for each "reed" in the measurements. So, 10,000 "reeds" = 16.34 miles north to south, and 40.86 miles east to west for the 25,000 "reeds." Each of the 12 Tribes received this track of land which stretched from the Mediterranean east, including land beyond the Jordan River valley. In addition to these lands, there was a Holy Oblation that was 25,000 x 25,000 "reeds" that included land for the Priests of Zadok, land for the Levites, each 10,000 "reeds" wide, and a portion 5,000 "reeds" wide for the Prince.

Within the 5000 "reeds" (8.17 miles) x 25,000 "reeds" (40.86 miles) called "the portion for the Prince,"  within the center of this land, the city of the King will exist as a square plot that is 4500 "reeds" x 4500 "reeds" (7.35 miles x 7.35 miles).

So, that's approximately how big the City of the Prince shall be, according to the prophecy of Ezekiel. Now, for the rest:

On 5/1/2025 at 12:28 AM, truth7t7 said:

 

Revelation 22:1-2KJV

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Eternal "New Jerusalem"

Ezekiel 48:31KJV

31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.

Revelation 21:12KJV

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

NEW JERUSALEM: (Remember: Chapter divisions are arbitrary, having been introduced "in the early 13th century, with Stephen Langton, Archbishop of Canterbury," [reported by Google].)

Revelation 21:9-27; 22:1-7 (KJV)

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying,

"Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife!"

10 And he carried me away in the spirit (Greek: ἐν πνεύματι = "en pneumati" = "on [the] wind") to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God (Greek: ἐκ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ ἀπὸ τοῦ θεοῦ = "ek tou ouranou apo tou Theou" = "out of-the sky away-from the God"), 11 Having the glory of God: and her light [was] like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone (Greek: ὡς λίθῳ ἰάσπιδι κρυσταλλίζοντι = "hoos lithoo iaspidi krustallizonti" = "like a-stone of-jasper crystal-clear"), clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, [and] had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are [the names] of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs (Greek: σταδίων δώδεκα χιλιάδων = "stadioon doodeka chiliadoon" = "stads twelve thousands"). The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred [and] forty [and] four cubits, [according to] the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. 18 And the building of the wall of it was [of] jasper: and the city [was] pure gold, like unto clear glass. 19 And the foundations of the wall of the city [were] garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation [was] jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; 20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. 21 And the twelve gates [were] twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city [was] pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face; and his name [shall be] in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

6 And he said unto me,

"These sayings [are] faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

7 "Behold, I come quickly: blessed [is] he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book."

Okay, so now let's piece together the parts: First, one can find the distances from all the mile markers left all over Europe and the Middle East by the Romans. The Roman "stad" or "stadium" is the same as the Greek word "stadios," which is found here in Revelation 21:16. Now, a Roman stad varies somewhat because it is measured by a "pace" (Latin: passus), measured by the Roman soldiers, which was called (and measured) by the one calling the march.

Thus, a stad was discovered to be an average of 607.14222 feet/stad. Multiplying that by 12,000 stads and dividing by 5280 feet/mi, one gets 1,379.86868... miles. That is its length, breadth, and its height, for "The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal." That is CONSIDERABLY LARGER than the City of the Prince in Ezekiel! Similarity does not mean equality.

Now, let's finish with the River of the Water of Life in the New Jerusalem:

Keeping in mind that this is a city that is 1,379.8686 MILES high, and that the river is said to come "out of the throne of God and of the Lamb," where would you suppose that throne would have to be located, since the city comes "out of the sky," implying that it lands upon the New Earth?

I would think that the throne would be at its highest point! Thus, like any good water system, it would divide into rivers and streams throughout the New Jerusalem and flow naturally downhill with gravity. With a length = 1,379.8686... miles and a breadth (width) of 1,379.8686... miles, we're talking about a footprint that is 1,904,037.593 square miles (without accounting for the curvature of the earth)! That's a SIGNIFICANT area, just on the bottom foundation, to cover with its water system!

(Just as a sidepoint for this discussion, I believe that the curvature of the New Earth [which I believe will be quite similar to the current earth], with this fact that the river flows from the throne at its highest point, forces the basic shape of this city to be that of a PYRAMID, which has a wall that is "great and high" for a city that is 1,379.8686 miles high! That would put the throne at its pinnacle - it's "capstone!" "The head stone of the corner!")

Furthermore, we're told that this river flows "In the midst of the street of it (the New Jerusalem)." So, it's in the MEDIAN of a thoroughfare, similar to our interstate systems. And, then we're told "on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations." So, this is found within the medians of the street within the New Jerusalem.

Now, I'm not saying that the trees found within the Land of Israel as described in Ezekiel's account aren't the same species of tree, but we're simply not told, other than its usage. All it says is that "by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine," as you quoted above.

Again, similarity does NOT imply equality!

[truth7t7]

10 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Revelation 19:21 says Jesus spews fire from His mouth.

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

[Locust]

again, fire means  destruction   . by saying fire is used does not mean literal fire will be used to destroy the beast ,which is governments in opposition to God's kingdom being established on this earth .

when religion is almost removed ,especially those known to be Christian, there then is a last effort to remove all religion .when that happens its more than God will  allow  .thats when Armageddon happens.  Armageddon does not bring destruction to the earth  .it does bring an end to any that stand in  opposition of the kingdom.  

what will it be like ?

Psalm 91:7

 A thousand may fall at your side,
    ten thousand at your right hand,
    but it will not come near you.

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, Locust said:

again, fire means  destruction   . by saying fire is used does not mean literal fire will be used to destroy the beast ,which is governments in opposition to God's kingdom being established on this earth .

when religion is almost removed ,especially those known to be Christian, there then is a last effort to remove all religion .when that happens its more than God will  allow  .thats when Armageddon happens.  Armageddon does not bring destruction to the earth  .it does bring an end to any that stand in  opposition of the kingdom.  

what will it be like ?

Psalm 91:7

 A thousand may fall at your side,
    ten thousand at your right hand,
    but it will not come near you.

There won't be a 1,000 year millennial kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim, when Jesus returns (Then Cometh The End)

Many just don't want to let go of their 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Edited Saturday at 09:28 PM by truth7t7

[Retrobyter]

On 5/2/2025 at 8:21 AM, truth7t7 said:

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

Shabbat shalom, @truth7t7.

And, here we go.... I have the same conversations with pastors who don't take the time to understand the words. 

It's not that "cut and dry." First, the Fire mentioned at the END of Revelation 20 in verse 9 is NOT upon the whole globe! So, first, what does the word "earth" mean?

Well, Strong's Concordance, which has been around for a while, says,

G1093 γῆ gē, ghay; contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):
—country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.

So, originally, the word "earth" meant "soil" - "DIRT!" I'm reminded of how Q mocked Captain Pickard for humanity naming their planet "Planet DIRT!" in the "old" Star Trek: Next Generation series. (I've always been a Trekkie.) It IS funny, when you think about it.

It's only been in the last few hundred years that we've given the word "earth" to the whole planet, especially when we've had pictures of the planet from space, which were not taken before October 24, 1946. The first color photograph of the full circle of the earth was not taken until September 20, 1967, which hasn't even been 100 years ago, yet! However, since these things have happened, we have subtlely altered the definition of "earth" to refer to the entire planet.

However, the word "earth in the Old Testament is the Hebrew word,

H776 אֶרֶץ ʼerets, eh'-rets; from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):
—× common, country, earth, field, ground, land, × nations, way, + wilderness, world.

Just the same, the Septuagint used G1093 to translate H776, and so did the authors/translators of the Greek New Testament when quoting from the Old Testament.

However, the word "'erets" most often meant "land," as in a particular track of land, such as the Land of Israel (אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל, "'erets Yisraa'eel"). 

Now, if the word "kol" (כֹּל) is added, it MAY apply to "all the land" or "all the solid part" of the planet; however, it could also be limited as in "all the Land of Israel" or the "all land of another country or region." There's a whole lot of instances that the word is used that does NOT refer to the "whole earth!"

On 5/2/2025 at 8:21 AM, truth7t7 said:

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, ...

YES!

On 5/2/2025 at 8:21 AM, truth7t7 said:

... At The Return Of Jesus Christ

No. "Timing is EVERYTHING!"

On 5/2/2025 at 8:21 AM, truth7t7 said:

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

I LOVE these verses! However, one must TEMPER them with some interal evidence and external evidence. First, notice that Peter said, "the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; IN THE WHICH the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up" He also said, "Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, WHEREIN the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat." We have here TWO qualifiers that suggest that it won't actually occur AT His Coming but WITHIN "the day of His Coming," again, the "day" being a "thousand-year period."

Second, there are no universal qualifiers here that suggest that this will happen to the whole planet!

Third, this passage of Scripture MUST NOT contradict the rest of Scripture:

Ecclesiastes 1:4 (KJV)

4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

Revelation 5:1-14 (KJV)

1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice,

"Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?"

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me,

"Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof!"

6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying,

"Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12 Saying with a loud voice,

"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing."

13 And every creature which is in heaven (Greek: πᾶν κτίσμα ὃ ἐστιν ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ = "pan ktisma ho estin en too ouranoo" = "every created-thing the-one-[that] is in the sky"), and on the earth (Greek:  ἐν τῇ γῇ = "en tee gee" = "in/on the soil"), and under the earth (Greek: ὑποκάτω τῆς γῆς = "hupokatoo tees gees" = "down-under the soil"), and such as are in the sea (Greek: ἐπὶ τῆς θαλάσσης = "epi tees thalassees" = "upon the sea"), and all that are in them, heard I saying,

"Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever."

14 And the four beasts said,

"Amen." (Hebrew for "Truth.")

And the four [and] twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

 

On 5/2/2025 at 8:21 AM, truth7t7 said:

 

Revelation 21:1-5KJV

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Again, chapter divisions are artificial (as are verse divisions). One mustn't forget that this IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWS Revelation 20:1-15, which in turn immediately follows Revelation 19:6-21:

Revelation 19:6-21; 20:1-15; 21:1 (KJV)

6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying,

"Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready."

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me,

"Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb."

And he saith unto me,

"These are the true sayings of God."

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me,

"See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called "The Word of God." 14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven,

"Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all [men, both] free and bond, both small and great."

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign WITH HIM a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are] (see Rev. 19:20), and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away (Greek: ἔφυγεν ἡ γῆ καὶ ὁ οὐρανός = "efugen hee gee kai ho ouranos" = "fled the soil and the sky"); and there was found no place for them (Greek: καὶ τόπος οὐχ εὑρέθη αὐτοῖς = "kai topos ouch heurethee autois" = "and a-place not was-found for-them"). 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

1 And I saw a new heaven (Greek: Καὶ εἶδον οὐρανὸν καινὸν = "Kai eidon ouranon kainon" = "And I-saw a-sky new") and a new earth (Greek: καὶ γῆν καινήν = "kai geen kaineen" = "and a-soil new"): for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away (Greek: ὁ γὰρ πρῶτος οὐρανὸς καὶ ἡ πρώτη γῆ παρῆλ = "ho gar prootos ouranos kai hee prootee gee pareel" = "the for first sky and the first soil "); and there was no more sea.

 

On 5/2/2025 at 8:21 AM, truth7t7 said:

Matthew 24:29-30KJV

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

This is how His Coming will be signified, but when you compare this with Revelation, this occurs way back in Revelation 6!

Revelation 6:9-17 (KJV)

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying,

"How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks,

"Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

See, the fifth seal is the Resurrection for the word "soul" comes from the Greek word "ψυχή" or "psuchee," which in turn comes from the root verb "ψύχω" or "psuchoo":

G5590 ψυχή psychḗ, psoo-khay'; from G5594; breath, i.e. (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from G2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew H5315, H7307 and H2416):
—heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.

G5594 ψύχω psýchō, psoo'-kho; a primary verb; to breathe (voluntarily but gently, thus differing on the one hand from G4154, which denotes properly a forcible respiration; and on the other from the base of G109, which refers properly to an inanimate breeze), i.e. (by implication, of reduction of temperature by evaporation) to chill (figuratively):
—wax cold.

The other two Greek words and the corresponding Hebrew words are:

G4151 πνεῦμα pneûma, pnyoo'-mah; from G4154; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit:
—ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

G2222 ζωή zōḗ, dzo-ay'; from G2198; life (literally or figuratively):
—life(-time). Compare G5590.

H5315 נֶפֶשׁ nephesh, neh'-fesh; from H5314; properly, a breathing creature, i.e. animal of (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental):
—any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, × dead(-ly), desire, × (dis-) contented, × fish, ghost, greedy, he, heart(-y), (hath, × jeopardy of) life (× in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, slay, soul, tablet, they, thing, (× she) will, × would have it.

H7307 רוּחַ rûwach, roo'-akh; from H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively, life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension, a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions):
—air, anger, blast, breath, × cool, courage, mind, ×quarter, × side, spirit(-ual), tempest, × vain, (whirl-) wind(-y).

H2416 חַי chay, khah'-ee; from H2421; alive; hence, raw (flesh); fresh (plant, water, year), strong; also (as noun, especially in the feminine singular and masculine plural) life (or living thing), whether literally or figuratively:
— age, alive, appetite, (wild) beast, company, congregation, life(-time), live(-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, merry, multitude, (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.

And, like in Greek, the Hebrew word "נֶפֶשׁ" or "nefesh" likewise comes from its root verb,

H5314 נָפַשׁ nâphash, naw-fash'; a primitive root; to breathe; passively, to be breathed upon, i.e. (figuratively) refreshed (as if by a current of air):
—(be) refresh selves (-ed).

Furthermore, since Paul used the Greek word "ψυχή" or "psuchee" to translate this Hebrew word "נֶפֶשׁ" or "nefesh" in 1 Corinthians 15:45 when quoting from Genesis 2:7, then its definition should also be "a breathing creature," especially since the words "correspond" to each other.

THEREFORE, the resurrection occurs at the opening of the Fifth Seal, for these "souls" are "BREATHING CREATED BEINGS!"

On 5/2/2025 at 8:21 AM, truth7t7 said:

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV

2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV

6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV

3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV

5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV

5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Timing is EVERYTHING! Pulling these verses out this way to attempt to find similarity, neglects the context of each! Some of these are talking about the top of Mount Sinai! Some are talking about AFTER the 1000 years! Some are talking about the Rescue He performs for His people when He returns! They are NOT all about the same event!

[DeighAnn]

On 5/2/2025 at 4:24 PM, truth7t7 said:

Not one mention on Ezekiel 47:12 being the river and tree of life because we know it's the very same place as Revelation 22:1-2

Not one mention of the fact that Ezekiel 48:31 is the very same gates of the city New Jerusalem with the names of the 12 tribes of Israel as seen in Revelation 21:12 

The two examples above are just as clear as the fact that Jesus died on the cross of Calvary, simple, very easy to comprehend and understand

Ezekiel Chapter 47 & 48 Is The Eternal Kingdom, Dont Be Deceived

Seen In Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine, Same Gates Of New Jerusalem With The Names Of The 12 Tribes Of Israel

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV

12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Eternal "New Jerusalem"

Ezekiel 48:31KJV

31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.

Revelation 21:12KJV

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

I understand you see them as being the same but that doesn't make it TRUTH, it makes it your belief as to what is, nothing more.  

If you believe there will be waters that NEED TO BE HEALED in the NHNE, that is up to you.  I believe there will NOT be a need for any waters to be healed because all things will have been made new again.

If you believe there will be 'miry' places and marishes that shall not be healed in the NHNE then that ALSO is up to you, and again, I believe there will not be ANY places that will need to be healed or remain unhealed and given to salt because everything will have been made new again, and there wont be any remembrance of the former things and those will be former things, I BELIEVE.  

If you believe there will be a 'border from the sea' in the NHNE that is up to you, but I don't believe there will be because I don't believe there will be any more sea because that is what is written of the NHNE. 

I don't believe there will be any angels 'begetting' children in the NHNE because Jesus Christ said there will be no taking and giving in marriage, and we will be like the angels in heaven, but if YOU want to believe that will be taking place AGAIN, that is up to you.