Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Retrobyter]

I had said and quoted:

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Really? Don't you know how far afield "christian orthodoxy" has changed down through the last 2,000 years?! There's been a HUGE, dynamic, paradigm shift in the terminology that "christian orthodoxy" uses, especially in their liturgy and rituals!

"Orthodoxy" is defined this way:

'Orthodoxy (from Ancient Greek ὀρθοδοξία (orthodoxía) 'righteous/correct opinion')[1][2] is adherence to correct or accepted creeds, especially in religion.[3] Orthodoxy within Christianity refers to acceptance of the doctrines defined by various creeds and ecumenical councils in antiquity, but different Churches accept different creeds and councils. SUCH DIFFERENCES OF OPINION HAVE DEVELOPED FOR NUMEROUS REASONS, INCLUDING LANGUAGE AND CULTURAL BARRIERS. Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy are sometimes referred to simply as "Orthodoxy".

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You asked,

On 4/30/2025 at 1:14 PM, Anne2 said:

Is this a claim of agreement with one or another concerning a specific doctrine? "have" developed, vs "had" developed? 

Shalom, @Anne2.

No, I'm just talking about the migration from the original texts of Scripture through doctrinal discussions, especially under the "Chrstoplatonism" that was added in the late 100s and early 200s A.D. That Greek influence HIGHLY altered the terminology.

All of the various Creeds are based upon the consensus of these re-definitions of common "religious" terms, such as "soul," "spirit," "heaven," "hell," "Christ," as well as a host of other terms. Of course, these terms were in Greek and later in Latin as the Roman churches took center-stage.

On 4/30/2025 at 1:14 PM, Anne2 said:

The Churches however did not consider them opinions. From what I have read, rejection occurred because it violated a previous council in their opinion, which could not be done. So big difference of the tone of what seems to be presented.

This is what the councils understood themselves to be doing.

Nevertheless, they WERE based upon the consensus of opinions, whether they thought they were or not. They took VOTES on the matters! They discussed these issues with logic and conclusions.

On 4/30/2025 at 1:14 PM, Anne2 said:

Invocation of the Holy spirit at the counsels.

Ac 15:25  It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Ac 15:28  For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

It is good to seek the Ruwach haQodesh ("the Holy Spirit") for His guidance and help in the decisions they would have to make, 

However, the "invocation" may be a problem: To invoke His help, may involve these definitions:

"invoke | inˈvōk | 

verb [with object] 

cite or appeal to (someone or something) as an authority for an action or in support of an argument: the antiquated defense of insanity is rarely invoked today. 

• call on (a deity or spirit) in prayer, as a witness, or for inspiration. 

• call earnestly for: she invoked his help against this attack. 

• summon (a spirit) by charms or incantation. 

• give rise to; evoke: how could she explain how the accident happened without invoking his wrath?.

 • Computing cause (a procedure) to be carried out. 

derivatives 

invoker | inˈvōkər | noun

ORIGIN 
late 15th century: from French invoquer, from Latin invocare, from in- ‘upon’ + vocare ‘to call’."

It's like the word "adjure." To "adjure" someone is to urge or request someone solemnly or earnestly to do something.

In a courtroom scenario, to "adjure" someone is to ORDER them to answer with penalty for failure to comply.

To "invoke" help from the Ruwach haQodesh MAY have been asking Him for help, which He may or may not choose to do, OR the invoker may be attempting to SUMMON His help, as heathen attempt to ORDER their gods and spirits to do something! It may even be that the Holy Spirit was used as a WEAPON to suggest that HE wanted a particular outcome, without His true guidance.

In history, there really WERE such clergymen as Victor Hugo's Claude Frollo in The Hunchback of Notre Dame, the Archdeacon and Roman Catholic priest, who made himself a justice minister, and a judge, without God's authority to do so.

I'm not saying that's what happened in Acts 15, but 

On 4/30/2025 at 1:14 PM, Anne2 said:

Therefore to oppose a latter council because it appeared to contradict an earlier council was serous business.

Just saying. Not advocating agreement etc. Just what they saw themselves as doing. Ecumenism among These Churches is quite distinct because of this.

Language barriers developing among them is as you said a very prominent idea, as misunderstandings of each other. As they were presiding under the Holy spirit no "innovations" could develop in their eyes. 

Right, and this added to the mix. I'm just saying, that we don't have the original defintions for the words we use. Therefore, we innocently misuse them, even abuse them without realizing that we're doing so.

[Retrobyter]

19 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Jesus maintains a glorified body of flesh and bone, he sits presently at the right hand of the father

Your claim of a "Human Body" is false, Jesus won't be found any place upon this earth, Jesus returns in the heavens in fire and final judgement (The End)

Shalom, @truth7t7.

Not "the end" yet, friend. This is one of those words I'm talking about: "glorified." It would help if one first understood the word before choosing to use it, or misuse it, or even abuse it.....

John 12:23 (KJV)

23 And Jesus answered them, saying, 

"The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified."

The term in the Greek of John 12:23 is δοξασθῇ (doxasthee), translated as "should be glorified," is the aorist, passive, subjunctive form of δοξάζω (doxazoo) in the 3rd-person, singular ending.

Strong's gives us these definitions:

G1392 δοξάζω doxázō, dox-ad'-zo; from G1391; to render (or esteem) glorious (in a wide application):
—(make) glorify(-ious), full of (have) glory, honour, magnify.

G1391 δόξα dóxa, dox'-ah; from the base of G1380; glory (as very apparent), in a wide application (literal or figurative, objective or subjective):
—dignity, glory(-ious), honour, praise, worship.

G1380 δοκέω dokéō, dok-eh'-o; a prolonged form of a primary verb, δόκω dókō dok'-o (used only in an alternate in certain tenses; compare the base of G1166) of the same meaning; to think; by implication, to seem (truthfully or uncertainly):
—be accounted, (of own) please(-ure), be of reputation, seem (good), suppose, think, trow.

It means to render glorious OR to esteem glorious. As seen in the synonyms used in the Authorized Version, we would use the word "FAMOUS" today to describe it. But, the Greek word "doxa" means to make someone or something "very apparent," and that includes how the word is used in 1 Corithians 15:40-41:

1 Corinthians 15:40-41 (KJV)

40 [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another. 41 [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.

When one looks up at the stars and moon, how do they differ? Don't they differ in BRIGHTNESS and COLOR?

The glory of terrestrial bodies (such as human beings, beasts, birds, and fish, is in their infrared glow - their heat signatures, seen by infrared cameras and goggles!

The glory of the celestial bodies, such as the sun, moon, and stars, are in their visible-light glow!

So, "doxa" can mean to make one stand out like a king among commoners - to make one famous, or to make one stand out like a bright light against the black background of space - to make one GLOW!

Now, consider what John wrote in Revelation 1:

Revelation 1:12-16 (KJV)

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks [one] like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and [his] hairs [were] white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes [were] as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance [was] as the sun shineth in his strength.

Isn't this how Paul described Him on the road to Damascus? Isn't this how He shone on the Mount of Transfiguration?

When the Scriptures say "He shall appear in glory," they are not talking about a PLACE; they are talking about His GLOW!

19 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

One must be careful not to mix two separate events.

The FIRST event is the Return of the Messiah:

When the Messiah Yeeshuwa` returns, He SHALL take vengeance against those who "know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ," but one must also be careful to understand what is meant by the "gospel!" There's the "gospel" that is identified as "the gospel of the Kingdom" and it goes back to Isaiah 52:7, as quoted by Paul in Romans 10:13-14:

Isaiah 52:7 (KJV)

7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, "THY GOD REIGNETH!"

Romans 10:13-15 (KJV)

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved (delivered; rescued - Joel 2:32). 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher (herald; announcer)? 15 And how shall they preach (herald; announce), except they be sent? as it is written,

"How beautiful ... are the feet of them that preach (herald; announce) the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!"

This is the "gospel" - the "godspell" - the "good news" that the Jews knew from Scripture that they studied and heard at least once a year! Not only did they read the entire Torah (the Pentateuch) through in a year, but they also read from the "Haftarah" - excerpts from the psalms and prophets - that were applicable to the section of the Torah that they were reading at the time. This section of the Torah was/is the Parashah Shoftim:

AI Overview (from Google)

Isaiah 52, along with Isaiah 51:12-52:12, is read in the Haftarah on the Parashat Shoftim, which is the Sabbath during the time of the Three Weeks when the destruction of Jerusalem is mourned. This Haftarah, also known as the fourth of the seven Haftorahs of consolation, emphasizes God's comfort and redemption of Israel. 

Elaboration:

Parashat Shoftim:

This is the weekly Torah reading that falls during the period of mourning for the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem. 

Seven Haftorahs of Consolation:

These are the specific Haftorah readings that are read on the Sabbaths of the Three Weeks, offering comfort and hope amidst the period of mourning. 

Isaiah 51:12-52:12:

This particular Haftarah section, often referred to as "Anochi, Anochi" (I am He), emphasizes God's direct comfort and promise of redemption to the people of Israel. 

Thematic Connection:

The choice of this Haftarah is designed to offer solace and hope to the community during the time of mourning by reminding them of God's enduring love and promise to restore Israel. 

"Parashat Shoftim is typically read in August or September. Specifically, on the Sabbath between the Jewish holidays of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. In 2025, it will be read on August 30th, 2025."

(This is also one of the best times to approach observant Jews about the gospel. Most Gentile [non-Jewish] Christians don't know this, but observant "Messianic Jews" do.)

This is what Paul was teaching the church at Rome (through the Jewish Christians there at Rome)!

This "gospel of the Kingdom" is what is found in the Olivet Discourse:

Matthew 24:9-14 (KJV)

9 "Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached (heralded) in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

This is what the new King of Israel shall be up in arms about! This is what the Herald, John the Baptist, was preaching (heralding; announcing) from the beginning of His ministry! But, with the rejection of their King, came also the adaptation of the gospel, INCLUDING His death, burial, and resurrection! It also now includes the promise of His Return to reign! This is what Paul was teaching in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4ff.

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The SECOND event is after the first 1000 years of His reign, the Great White Throne Judgment. This is when all will be resurrected and stand before Him to be judged out of the books of their lives and deeds, and in the Lamb's Book of Life. This event is what Revelation 20:7-15 is talking about.

This is also what 2 Peter 3 is talking about. Remember, however, that within that passage, Peter said, " 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack (delaying; being tardy) concerning his promise, as some men count slackness (tardiness; delay); but is LONGSUFFERING (PATIENT) to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." And, it is during that time that the "Sun of Righteousness" (Malachi 4:2) shall be reigning, He who shines "brighter than the sun at noonday!" (Acts 26:13). That Sun NEVER SETS throughout the Millennium - the 1000 years of haSatan's lock-up. It will be OUR "one Day" as well.

[truth7t7]

44 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

That Sun NEVER SETS throughout the Millennium - the 1000 years of haSatan's lock-up. It will be OUR "one Day" as well.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV

2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV

6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV

3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV

5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV

5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

[truth7t7]

48 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

That Sun NEVER SETS throughout the Millennium - the 1000 years of haSatan's lock-up. It will be OUR "one Day" as well.

Many just don't want to let go of their 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[DeighAnn]

I do think the DON'T BE DECEIVED advice....should be heeded though


Rev 21
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 22
The River of Life
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.




EZE 47

Waters from Under the Temple

1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar. 2Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.3And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ancles. 4Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins. 5Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over. 6And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river. 7Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other. 8Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed. 9And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh. 10And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many. 11But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt. 12And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

The Borders of the Land

13 Thus saith the Lord GOD; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions. 14And ye shall inherit it, one as well as another: concerning the which I lifted up mine hand to give it unto your fathers: and this land shall fall unto you for inheritance.

15And this shall be the border of the land toward the north side, from the great sea, the way of Hethlon, as men go to Zedad; 16Hamath, Berothah, Sibraim, which is between the border of Damascus and the border of Hamath; Hazarhatticon, which is by the coast of Hauran. 17And the border from the sea shall be Hazarenan, the border of Damascus, and the north northward, and the border of Hamath. And this is the north side.

18And the east side ye shall measure from Hauran, and from Damascus, and from Gilead, and from the land of Israel by Jordan, from the border unto the east sea. And this is the east side.

19And the south side southward, from Tamar even to the waters of strife in Kadesh, the river to the great sea. And this is the south side southward.

20The west side also shall be the great sea from the border, till a man come over against Hamath. This is the west side.

21So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel. 22And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. 23And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.

[DeighAnn]

54 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Many just don't want to let go of their 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Although everyone can read it written, some just can't see it. 

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

I do think the DON'T BE DECEIVED advice....should be heeded though


Rev 21
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 22
The River of Life
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.




EZE 47

Waters from Under the Temple

1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar. 2Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.3And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ancles. 4Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins. 5Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over. 6And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river. 7Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other. 8Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed. 9And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh. 10And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many. 11But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt. 12And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

The Borders of the Land

13 Thus saith the Lord GOD; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions. 14And ye shall inherit it, one as well as another: concerning the which I lifted up mine hand to give it unto your fathers: and this land shall fall unto you for inheritance.

15And this shall be the border of the land toward the north side, from the great sea, the way of Hethlon, as men go to Zedad; 16Hamath, Berothah, Sibraim, which is between the border of Damascus and the border of Hamath; Hazarhatticon, which is by the coast of Hauran. 17And the border from the sea shall be Hazarenan, the border of Damascus, and the north northward, and the border of Hamath. And this is the north side.

18And the east side ye shall measure from Hauran, and from Damascus, and from Gilead, and from the land of Israel by Jordan, from the border unto the east sea. And this is the east side.

19And the south side southward, from Tamar even to the waters of strife in Kadesh, the river to the great sea. And this is the south side southward.

20The west side also shall be the great sea from the border, till a man come over against Hamath. This is the west side.

21So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel. 22And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. 23And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.

"Sea" represents multitudes of people, does "The Beast" rise out of the ocean like the creature from the black lagoon "No" he rises out of multitudes of people "Sea"

The multitudes of people won't be seen in the New Heaven and Earth, there was no more "Sea" of people, narrow is the way and few will find it, many are called, few are chosen

Revelation 13:1KJV

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Revelation 21:1KJV

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

The Lord's dwelling place in Ezekiel 47 is called a "House" not a "Temple" as you suggest, Ezekiel 47:12 also uses the word "Sanctuary"

You have clearly been shown that the the river and tree of life are present in Ezekiel 47:12 New Jerusalem is seen, same names of the 12 tribes written on the gates Ezekiel 48:31 yet you continue to fight against these biblical facts before your eyes "Why"?

Ezekiel Chapter 47 & 48 Is The Eternal Kingdom, Dont Be Deceived

Seen In Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine, Same Gates Of New Jerusalem With The Names Of The 12 Tribes Of Israel

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV

12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Eternal "New Jerusalem"

Ezekiel 48:31KJV

31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.

Revelation 21:12KJV

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Edited Friday at 02:56 PM by truth7t7

[Locust]

23 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

its more or less correct ,mankind is the sea .  where is says no more sea acttuly means the tempest of  troubles are removed 

[truth7t7]

49 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Although everyone can read it written, some just can't see it. 

Because a Millennial Kingdom on this earth doesn't exist in scripture

Millennialist use Revelation 20:1-6 and the words "Thousand Years" to claim a foundation for a future literal 1,000 year kingdom on this earth

Millennialist then jump over to the Old Testament and use the multiple accounts of the "Eternal Kingdom" presented and they claim its their beloved future Millennial Kingdom on this earth, 100% "False"

[truth7t7]

29 minutes ago, Locust said:

its more or less correct ,mankind is the sea .  where is says no more sea acttuly means the tempest of  troubles are removed 

I Disagree

It means the multitudes of people are gone, there was no more "sea" of people just as I wrote

Edited Friday at 02:42 PM by truth7t7