Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, Locust said:

ya kinda add to that verse . it does not say all would rise on the same day. yes all that are resurrected will hear ,but that does not mean it happens on the same day .

Matthew 19: 30 does not say the resurrection begins with those that died thousands of years ago . but begins from our time back.  we know things ,we know what happened  and will be responsible to tell early and earlier generations what happened since they had died.  

We Disagree

It clearly states all that are in the Graves shall hear his voice and come forth to final judgement, the resurrection of life, the resurrection of damnation, this is the final GWTJ seen in Revelation 20:11-15 

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Edited Wednesday at 11:55 AM by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, christsavedme said:

I’m curious, though—how do you think this view of Satan being bound right now helps folks live out their faith day-to-day? Like, does it change how we pray or face challenges? Would love to hear more of your thoughts!

Thanks for the interest 2 Timothy 2:15

As I presented satan isn't bound from present evil in the world today, and my claims presented never state such, Satan is presently walking about as a roaring lion seeking to devour 1 Peter 5:8 

My claim is specific to the interpretation of (Deceive The Nations) as seen in Revelation 20:3 and in context the words (Deceive The Nations) are interpreted in Revelation 20:8 as (Deceiving The Nations) To the final battle (Specific)

Your statement above suggest that my claims are that satan is bound from evil in the world "Presently", with your suggestion that (Deceive The Nations) is general deception in the world "Presently" I never stated such as my post clearly shows

I believe a great deception today is that many falsely believe and teach that the book of Revelation is seen in chronological order "Its Not" the Book of Revelation is seen in "Parallel" teachings of same events

A Few Examples:

The final GWTJ is seen in Revelation 11:18 & in Revelation 20:11-15, same event 8 chapters apart

The 7th Vial and The 7th Trump are "Parallel" teachings of (The End) of this world

Feel free to ask all the questions you desire, thanks for the time

Jesus Is The Lord

 

Edited Wednesday at 12:25 PM by truth7t7

[Locust]

6 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

We Disagree, there is only one future resurrection of "All" and it takes place at the Lord's second coming on the last day (Then Cometh The End) when death is swallowed up in victory

please think about what you are saying ,you have billions and billions of people all resurrected on the same day ,of which the vast majority are naked as the day they were born. it would be utter chaos ,forced to live outside like the critter of the woods .all scrambling to find clothing to cover their nakedness .to then try to live for 1000 years , sorry that does not work .

perhaps we could adjust your understanding of things?

[DeighAnn]

20 hours ago, Locust said:

just how is it that any of the resurrected  could be cast into the lake of fire if every one gets resurrected after after the 1000 years have ended.? 

Everyone doesn't.  The 'dead/dead in Christ' resurrect when Christ returns, but not all the dead resurrect at that time. Hell, death and the sea 'keep' some dead until after those first resurrected 'dead' go through the Lords Day are judged to see if their WORKS during that time got them into the book of life.  AFTER they have been judged, then the rest are raised up for their judgment. At least that is what is written, and that is also exactly not only how I understand it but what I believe.   



52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


What is written right before that?  50  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


The elect 'alive and remaining will be changed', they are transformed are join up with Christ and the army (the army being those who followed Him, in their own order, now returning with Him for the Lords Day or the day belonging to the Lord). 

The ones who 'are destroying' the earth are ALSO changed, but their change is not a good one as they 'die' their first death and the birds eat their flesh, or their flesh is consumed away, or they die by by the flaming 'fire' or are killed by the sword, ect.  SOME of them may resurrect (I have my thoughts but have not been given any Scripture yet as to it so I don't say anything about it)

Again, Many of those who 'died and were buried' resurrect at Christs return, and the rest at the end of the Lords Day will stand at the GWTH


11  And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12  And I saw the dead, (THOSE WHO RESURRECT AT CHRISTS RETURN) small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (Christians are judged at the judgment seat of Christ and it is through FAITH, not works, Christians have been made ALIVE in Christ, not 'dead' in ANYTHING (except for their first body going back to dust), and they are most certainly NOT DEAD IN CHRIST, having been raised in His likeness and having followed Him to be where He is) 


So once the dead who rose when Christ returned are judged....


13  And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[JoeCanada]

On 5/4/2025 at 11:18 PM, truth7t7 said:

My explanation is very detailed, when Jesus returns (The Day Of The Lord) takes place, he returns in fire and final judgement, the event of mortal turning into eternal immortal takes place in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" death is swallowed up in victory, judgement is complete, eternity begins in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, it's that simple

T7,

You stated .... " when Jesus returns (The Day Of The Lord)..........

" death is swallowed up in victory, judgement is complete, eternity begins in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, it's that simple"

The above is what you wrote, so I'm assuming that you believe it to be true ... Yes?

I also think that you wrote that when Jesus returns in fire and glory, then that's the end..... Yes?.... 

No 1000 year millennium.... just the end?

On 5/4/2025 at 11:08 PM, truth7t7 said:

Yes I Will Continue To Believe That Ezekiel Chapters 47 & 48 Is "The Eternal Kingdom" Where The River And Tree Of Life Is Present, Where The Gates Of New Jerusalem Are Seen Bearing The Names Of The 12 Tribes Of Israel, As Clearly Seen Below

Seen In Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine, Same Gates Of New Jerusalem With The Names Of The 12 Tribes Of Israel

I will agree with you that the New Jerusalem is God's eternal home.... with His elect from all time. 

But.....

If the whole earth, the re-made earth, is in an eternal state, with the people in it being eternal as well, then....

1 - What is the purpose of the tree of life where it's fruit is for the healing of nations, if the nations are in the eternal state?

2 - What is the purpose of the angelic sentries posted at each of the 12 gates of the New Jerusalem ... if everyone on the new earth is eternal and incapable of corruption..... as Rev 21:27 shows still corruption?

3 - If everyone is  immortal and death has been swallowed up, they why do people still die in the eternal state?

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Everyone doesn't.  The 'dead/dead in Christ' resurrect when Christ returns, but not all the dead resurrect at that time. 

"False"

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

[truth7t7]

57 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

If the whole earth, the re-made earth, is in an eternal state, with the people in it being eternal as well, then....

This present earth will be dissolved down to its very elements at the second coming day of the Lord as scripture clearly teaches below

Revelation 21:1KJV

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 Peter 3;10-13KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, JoeCanada said:

1 - What is the purpose of the tree of life where it's fruit is for the healing of nations, if the nations are in the eternal state?

Joe do you believe Revelation 22:1-5 below is "The Eternal State"?

Revelation 22:1-5KJV

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, JoeCanada said:

2 - What is the purpose of the angelic sentries posted at each of the 12 gates of the New Jerusalem ... if everyone on the new earth is eternal and incapable of corruption..... as Rev 21:27 shows still corruption?

Joe Revelation 21:27 states nothing more than those that are in the book of life will enter New Jerusalem, the book of life "Was Opened" the final judgment is complete, those not found in the book of life are in the lake of fire, your suggestion that those that defileth, make abominations or lies are still alive would be "False"

Revelation 20:15KJV

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27KJV

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

[Locust]

12 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Joe Revelation 21:27 states nothing more than those that are in the book of life will enter New Jerusalem, the book of life "Was Opened" the final judgment is complete, those not found in the book of life are in the lake of fire, your suggestion that those that defileth, make abominations or lies are still alive would be "False"

Revelation 20:15KJV

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27KJV

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Did you ever figure out where the lake of fire is