Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[truth7t7]

3 minutes ago, Excalibur said:

The book itself tells you it was given to John in SIGNS! (Symbols)

Which means it is NOT to be taken literally.  

I Strongly Disagree

As was shown (The Beast) of Revelation Chapter 13 will be a future literal human man, who will be worshipped by literal humans upon this literal earth

As was shown in Revelation 20:9 and Luke 17:29-30 the Lord's literal fire in destruction will come upon literal humans upon this earth, just as it took place literally in Sodom and Gomorrah

We Disagree

Jesus Is The Lord

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Compare:

2 Peter 3:10-11KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

This is not supported by Zech.  Look, elements shall melt with fervent heat, and the earth also is burned up.

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Zechariah 14:1 & 12KJV

1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Their spoil is divided in their midst, was not destroyed, when the earth burned up.

Appears to be the Battle of Armageddon.  The birds of the air eat the flesh of men and horses.

What gives???

Two separate time frames;

2 Peter 3:10 is the occurrence of the new heaven and a new earth being processed. 

Yet, Zech 14 in no way matches 2 peter 3:10, because survivors which attacked Jerusalem (those whose flesh was not consumed) had to go up year after year for the Feast of Tabernacles.  If they did not go to the Feast of Tabernacles, their punishment was no rain.  There is no punishment in the New Heaven and the New Earth.

I stand by my Scriptural stance.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Excalibur]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

I Strongly Disagree

An entirely meaningless statement when you can’t show how my argument against your assertions is unbiblical.
 

Jesus Christ refutes you in the very first chapter of the Apocalypse.

Daniel refutes you in chapter 7 of his book. 
 

Repeating your assertions do not make them true. 

[truth7t7]

46 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

This is not supported by Zech.  Look, elements shall melt with fervent heat, and the earth also is burned up.

Their spoil is divided in their midst, was not destroyed, when the earth burned up.

Appears to be the Battle of Armageddon.  The birds of the air eat the flesh of men and horses.

What gives???

Two separate time frames;

2 Peter 3:10 is the occurrence of the new heaven and a new earth being processed. 

Yet, Zech 14 in no way matches 2 peter 3:10, because survivors which attacked Jerusalem (those whose flesh was not consumed) had to go up year after year for the Feast of Tabernacles.  If they did not go to the Feast of Tabernacles, their punishment was no rain.  There is no punishment in the New Heaven and the New Earth.

I stand by my Scriptural stance.

In Christ

Montana Marv

I Strongly Disagree

Zechariah 14:1 shows the day of the Lord coming, this very same day of the Lord is seen throughout scripture, 2 Peter 3:10-11 is one of many

Zechariah 14:12 shows the day of the Lord's fire in final judgement below as men are vaporized at the Lord's return

2 Peter 3:10-11KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Zechariah 14:1 & 12KJV

1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Edited Sunday at 11:01 PM by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

36 minutes ago, Excalibur said:

An entirely meaningless statement when you can’t show how my argument against your assertions is unbiblical.
 

Jesus Christ refutes you in the very first chapter of the Apocalypse.

Daniel refutes you in chapter 7 of his book. 
 

Repeating your assertions do not make them true. 

You express your "Opinion" and it's my "Opinion" your wrong

I Strongly Disagree with your claims made

Jesus Is The Lord

[Montana Marv]

42 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

2 Peter 3:10-11KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Zechariah 14:1 & 12KJV

1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth

Yes two separate events.  Yet you still cannot get around the fact that there are no seas in the New Heaven and New Earth period of time, future eternity, I see no Seas.  And yet, Zech stating that water flows out from Jerusalem (not the New Jerusalem) to the eastern and western seas.  This during the 1000 year reign of Christ.  I see two Seas.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

Many claim there will be a 1,000 year reign of King Jesus because Rev 20 is quite clear that there will be.  I can't imagine what figure of speech or metaphor is being placed on that time frame which is mentioned only 6 times in that chapter.

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

v.24 is the key.  The "end comes" WHEN He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God WHEN He shall have plut down all rule and all authority and power".

It's real clear.  The "end" doesn't come when He returns to earth.  Only AFTER Jesus delivers up the kingdom WHEN He had plut downh all rule and all authority and power" does the "end" come.

iow, Jesus returns to earth at the 2nd Advent, the resurrection of all believers occurs, He rules the earth with an "iron scepter" for 1,000 years, and THEN, WHEN the nations surround Jerusalem to attack does God fry the whole earth and all the living mortals on it.  THEN the unsaved will be resurrected back into their mortal bodies and attend the GWT judgment, and then cast into the LOF.

The reading of Rev 20 is simple and straightforward.  No need for metaphors or figures of speech, all of which simply allows people to make up whatever they think things mean to themselves.

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

What is clear in Dan 12:2, John 5:29 and Acts 24:15 is that there will be a resurrection of the saved and a resurrection of the unsaved.  And Rev 20 clears up any confusion about WHEN each one will occur:  resurrection of the saved occurs "when He comes back from heaven" (1 Cor 15:23) and the resurrection of the unsaved occurs AFTER the battle of Gog and Magog at the end of the Millennial Reign of Christ.

[Luther]

7 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Zechariah 14:16, Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV

3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Nice comparisons.

Luke 17:36-37 KJV
Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

[37] And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
 

In all this time, the churches teach that it's going to be good to be taken. That means you're going to be raptured. No, it doesn't. We are waiting for the Lord to come. After the earth is cleansed those who are alive and remain  will meet Him "in air" ( not in the air, " the" is italicized in the KJV). 

This "air" is at the time/ space  the new heavens and the new earth are being created right before us. It is like we are coming out to meet the Lord, not flying away, floating around while Israel is burning red heifers. 

[Jaydub]

7 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Yes, there are some metaphorical and figurative language in Revelation, but there is none in Rev 20.

 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 

I like that you wrote, there is none in Revelation 20. 

Just look at these first two sentences, Do you think John saw and angel with a physical key? Do you think the angel had a physical great chain? was a spiritual being going to be tied with a physical chain or be thrown in a physical hole?

Was this a physical dragon or a  physical serpent? No these are symbolic imagery. We know that these symbols have  a literal meaning and that is what we are to do, find the literal meaning of these passages. Lets look at the end of sentence two 

Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. Do you believe that the angel took that key and opened a lock on a door over a great hole in the ground? and bound Satan up with a physical chain and through him in it. This is all symbolic, so why would we think the thousand years is literal? I have seen people on these  forums say, it may not be exactly 1000 years, it may be more, it may be less. That too makes it symbolic if it is not exactly a 1000 years

psalm 50:10  

for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills.

Is this literal? or is 1000 hills a metaphor ?

[Jaydub]

9 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

I Disagree, much of the book of Revelation is literal and physically taking place on this earth

Examples: Revelation Chapter 13 speaks of a literal future human man (The Beast) who will literally rule on this literal earth

Your not making sense to me, you yourself right here are taking the symbolism of chapter 13 and giving it a physical meaning. Chapter 13 says the beast has 7 heads he looks like a leopard and has feet like a bear and a mouth like a lion. This is symbolism, that you gave a physical meaning to. To me you didn't pick a good example of what is to be taken literal