Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, Luther said:

Revelation 19:9,17-18 KJV
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; [18] That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Marv, What are your thoughts on these verses? Same event? Literal eating of flesh? Pretty wild. 

Now verse 9 - I have no idea of how heavenly food tastes or smells.  Definitely not kidney pie, had it once, it smelled terrible, but worse, it tasted worse that it smelled.

Now v 17,18 - This is the gathering of the birds of the air to feast on all who die at Armageddon, both men and horses (remember the 200,000,000 riders from the East. Plus the army from the North, South and the beasts army. Dan 11:40,41.  How long does Armageddon last (maybe 30 days); How long does it take the birds of the air to feast on those killed (maybe 45 days)  Dan 12:11

In Christ

Montana Marv

[truth7t7]

15 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

Why are these Seals, Trumpets and Bowl judgments placed in their order. Is there purpose or what is their relevance?

In Christ

Montana Marv

By all means make your claim with supporting scripture regarding the seals, trumpets, vials, judgement waiting?

[Montana Marv]

3 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

By all means make your claim with supporting scripture regarding the seals, trumpets, vials, judgement waiting?

I posted it about 3 years ago, look it up.

I will just say look at the bulls eye, the very very center being the Second Coming to the Mt of Olives.  What are the perimeter circles?  You figure it out, I must not be that smart.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[farouk]

On 6/1/2025 at 1:00 PM, Anne2 said:

There is light there. It is just not from the sun or the moon.

Hi @Anne2 I am reminded of Revelation 21.23:

"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

[farouk]

PS: @Anne2 I see now that you did quote that verse recently that I just posted.

(I do think that there will be a literal earthly kingdom also.)

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

I will just say look at the bulls eye, the very very center being the Second Coming to the Mt of Olives. 

Zechariah Chapter 14 Is (The Day Of The Lord) Also Seen In 2 Peter 3:10-13, The Last Day Of This Earth's Existence, Eternity Begins As The "Eternal Kingdom" Is Revealed

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

[Luther]

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The point is made that the Word of God will triumph over those who will come against him and he called on the fowls to come and have a great feast on the flesh of those who will die on that day.

The point is that his enemies when they die the do not need their bodies anymore. And this is what He has ordained. And He gave their flesh to be food for the fowls. 

Their flesh after they die is good for food for the fowls or for the worms. Whether buried or not their flesh is ordained to be food for the worms or the fowls. Do not expect anything else. The flesh is finished. 

But that can't be because when Jesus comes it will be with devouring fire and the whole earth is going to be consumed 

Zephaniah 1:18 KJV
Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

There isn't going to be any flesh laying around. 

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, Luther said:

But that can't be because when Jesus comes it will be with devouring fire and the whole earth is going to be consumed 

That conflicts with Rev 2:27 - He will rule them with an iron scepter, he will dash them to pieces like pottery.  Rev 12:5 - She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.  And her child was snatched up to God and his throne.   Rev 19:15 - Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword to strike down the nations.  He will rule them with an iron scepter.  He treads the winepress of fury of the wrath of God Almighty.

Why will He/Christ rule the nations in the New Heaven and New Earth with a rod of iron.  Which is a disciplinary tool.  All must not be well in the New Heaven.  OR Christ must rule with a rod of iron during the 1000 years, because the nations are still unruly.

Zech 8:20-23 - This is what the Lord Almighty says;  Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities, will yet come, and the inhabitants of one city will go to another and say; "Let us go at once to entreat the Lord and seek the Lord Almighty.  I myself am going."  And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the Lord Almighty and to entreat him.. This is what the Lord Almighty says; "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you."  So, God must not be with them.

This has never happened in the past.  Will this be in the New Heaven and the New Earth, No.  But during the 1000 year reign of Christ. This is when Christ will rule the nations with an iron scepter.  Not in the New Heaven or New Earth or the New Jerusalem.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[truth7t7]

46 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

Why will He/Christ rule the nations in the New Heaven and New Earth with a rod of iron.  Which is a disciplinary tool.  All must not be well in the New Heaven.  OR Christ must rule with a rod of iron during the 1000 years, because the nations are still unruly.

Zech 8:20-23 - This is what the Lord Almighty says;  Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities, will yet come, and the inhabitants of one city will go to another and say; "Let us go at once to entreat the Lord and seek the Lord Almighty.  I myself am going."  And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the Lord Almighty and to entreat him.. This is what the Lord Almighty says; "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you."  So, God must not be with them.

This has never happened in the past.  Will this be in the New Heaven and the New Earth, No.  But during the 1000 year reign of Christ. This is when Christ will rule the nations with an iron scepter.  Not in the New Heaven or New Earth or the New Jerusalem.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Jesus "Destroys" With A Rod Of Iron "At His Second Coming", Your Claim This Destruction Is In The Eternal Kingdom Is False

A "Rod Of Iron" is a "Tool Of Destruction" that a Potter destroys clay vessels with

Jesus returns and destroy's the wicked like a Potter destroy's his vessels with a "Rod Of Iron" its that simple (The End)

Psalm 2:9KJV

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Revelation 2:27KJV

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 19:15KJV

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Edited Tuesday at 03:20 PM by truth7t7

[farouk]

11 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The point is made that the Word of God will triumph over those who will come against him

Hi @Your closest friendnt 

 "But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

⁵⁸ Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord." (1 Corinthians 15.57-58)