Yes, Jesus meant TODAY in his message to the thief on the cross

[Your closest friendnt]

 

Mathew 28:18-20

18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” 

Jesus sends the disciples to the whole world to preach the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ the forgiveness of sins in his blood. 

This is my blood, the blood of the New Covenant which is going to be shed for the forgiveness of sins of many. 

And the blood of the New Covenant was shed on the same day. 

The author of Hebrews understood that and he  called the offsprings of Jacob Hebrews and not Israelites. in the name they were called before God changed the name of Jacob to Israel. 

[farouk]

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

Mathew 28:18-20

18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” 

Jesus sends the disciples to the whole world to preach the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ the forgiveness of sins in his blood. 

This is my blood, the blood of the New Covenant which is going to be shed for the forgiveness of sins of many. 

And the blood of the New Covenant was shed on the same day. 

 

@Your closest friendnt It's still the day of grace and the Gospel is still going forth...

[farouk]

9 hours ago, Frits said:

Rom 2
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 
Note: So the circumcision that people do in the flesh, is futile and reprehensible!

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Note: But if the heart is circumcised by the Lord Jesus Christ, in the spirit, then that person is a true Jew, who was born again in Jerusalem which is 'above'. (Gal. 4:26)

These verses are similar to what Paul says in 2 Corinthians 3.15-18:

For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.

¹⁶ For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

¹⁷ For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

¹⁸ While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

[BibleLove]

On 5/15/2025 at 4:49 PM, Locust said:

the law  required burial that makes it a given

You're referring to the Semahot.

Please read John 11 to learn why Jesus had to remain in the tomb for three days and nights.

 

 

[Locust]

On 5/17/2025 at 1:43 PM, BibleLove said:

You're referring to the Semahot.

Please read John 11 to learn why Jesus had to remain in the tomb for three days and nights.

 

 

Could it be because he was dead ? there is a thing about dead people they stay where ya put them

[AdHoc]

On 5/16/2025 at 4:47 PM, Frits said:

No problem br. @AdHoc, I will try to explain it per Rom.2:28-29, Rom.9:6, Rom.11:1, and Gal.4:26.
The Old Testament Jews were recognizable by their circumcision in the flesh.

But Paul declares in so many words that these people are in fact not Jews, and that is why I also do not call these unbelieving people "true" Jews. Or I should know better than Paul but I don't, do you?
A people that definitely does not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ cannot possibly be Israel!

That is also Paul's explanation in Rom.9:6. Not all, but those who are from Israel now believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, they are truly Israel, Paul himself also belongs to that. (Rom.11:1)
And those who are indeed from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but definitely do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, they are NOT Israel.

 True Jews are described by Paul as people who are circumcised in the inner man, that is, not in the flesh, but in the heart.

Rom 2
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 
Note: So the circumcision that people do in the flesh, is futile and reprehensible!

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Note: But if the heart is circumcised by the Lord Jesus Christ, in the spirit, then that person is a true Jew, who was born again in Jerusalem which is 'above'. (Gal. 4:26)

Thank you for your reply. Your effort is appreciated.

I am faced with a long explanation because you took the verses of Romans 2 without their context, and believe that an Israelite is an Israelite by believing in Jesus. But we both know that Israel are a people who came from the loins of Jacob. Furthermore, this is the same Nation that Jesus was born to, the same nation that persecuted and killed Him and the same nation that is the Gates of New Jerusalem in the ages to come. Circumcision cannot become uncircumcision unless it is meant metaphorically. Nor can the uncircumcised become THE Circumcision by doing righteous deeds unless the Lord meant it metaphorically.

If it is literal then foreskins grow on sinners but not on the righteous, and Paul's definition of Romans 9:3-4 makes a mockery of the word "brethren". This is all then mocked by the fact that Israel is cut out of the Olive Tree but called a Vine, but is natural branches that in Chapter 11 are predicted to be "ALL saved" though they are cut out of the stem.

I am aware that many Churches teach what you maintain. I also don't think a man can recover from years of being taught the wrong thing if he supports a position that is obviously not representative of what the bible says. In a nutshell, Israel stemmed from Jacob's loins. Their unbelief was manifested in idol worship. The Law that God gave them at Sinai predicted their demise as nation and their deportation from the Land to the four winds. The prophets that came after Moses predicted a recovery by a Messiah. Jerusalem is a literal city with a history of resistance against Jehovah. If a Jew believes in Christ he does NOT become a TRUE Israelite. He is a NEW MAN with his past dissolved. In this New Man ethnicity is absent. If a Jew rejects Christ he remains under Covenant BOTH of Promise and of Law.

For the New Man Law is abolished with malice (Eph.2:15). If he remains in UNBELIEF not one jot or tittle of the Law passes until heaven an earth pass at the end of the Millennium. In the Millennium Jesus will live in Jerusalem physically, and continue in the Christian's human spirit as per God's desire in John 4:24.

You may answer and object so as to have the last word, but I think further discussion on the matter of Israel is not going to bring us further, and I won't answer. I'm sure that you will agree that we are too far apart to have anything settled. That does not mean that we are not both bought by Christ's blood and are "brethren" with the same Father in heaven.

Go well.

[Frits]

8 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Circumcision cannot become uncircumcision unless it is meant metaphorically. Nor can the uncircumcised become THE Circumcision by doing righteous deeds unless the Lord meant it metaphorically.

Paul's explanation in Rom. 2 about circumcision is not meant metaphorically, but points to the criterion by which God's people are known: circumcision of the heart by the Holy Spirit, received through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

De facto:

Whoever does not believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Holy God, the unbelieving Jew or the unbelieving Gentile, does not receive His Spirit and does not belong to Him! (Rom.8:9)

So this is not a metaphor but a spiritual reality, namely the receiving of the Holy Spirit.

Through His Spirit, God circumcises His children, the believers from the Jews and the believers from the Gentiles, one people, God's people.

My brother, may the blessing of the Holy God Jesus Christ be with you!

Edited May 18 by Frits

[Frits]

11 hours ago, AdHoc said:

If a Jew rejects Christ he remains under Covenant BOTH of Promise and of Law.

The very tragic thing about a Jew who rejects the Lord Jesus Christ is that he also forfeits the promises of God! In that regard and for verification I bring to your attention this Bible verse from Paul:

2Co 1:20 KJV

For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

By “him” the Lord Jesus Christ is meant.

Edited May 18 by Frits

[AdHoc]

15 hours ago, Frits said:

Paul's explanation in Rom. 2 about circumcision is not meant metaphorically, but points to the criterion by which God's people are known: circumcision of the heart by the Holy Spirit, received through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

De facto:

Whoever does not believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Holy God, the unbelieving Jew or the unbelieving Gentile, does not receive His Spirit and does not belong to Him! (Rom.8:9)

So this is not a metaphor but a spiritual reality, namely the receiving of the Holy Spirit.

Through His Spirit, God circumcises His children, the believers from the Jews and the believers from the Gentiles, one people, God's people.

My brother, may the blessing of the Holy God Jesus Christ be with you!

 

12 hours ago, Frits said:

The very tragic thing about a Jew who rejects the Lord Jesus Christ is that he also forfeits the promises of God! In that regard and for verification I bring to your attention this Bible verse from Paul:

2Co 1:20 KJV

For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

By “him” the Lord Jesus Christ is meant.

However much I would like to comment, I promised you the last word.

Go well. We'll surely meet again on some crucial theme.

[Prycejosh1987]

People who believe in God but are careless think it means they can declare as Lord at the end after living their lives away from Him, and still get saved. It doesnt mean that. 

I believe the man on the cross was saved, because He sincerely saw the need for Jesus. He wanted to support Jesus and saw Him Jesus for Who He is not what He can do, or a figure of judgement. He saw Him as a friend.