Yes, Jesus meant TODAY in his message to the thief on the cross

[Frits]

On 4/28/2025 at 12:38 AM, AdHoc said:

Now, why don't you go back and read Jeremiah 31:31-33 slowly, deliberately and accurately, and see if you can deal with by arguments.

Thanks br. @AdHoc for your long answer. But if I would get $100 for every time you go off-topic, I could retire right away. Can we just skip that nonsense about your hunting parties? Shooting animals for fun and ending the evenings with the use of strong alcoholic beverage, that does not fit Christians, so "people like me".

Now Jeremiah 31:31-33 KJV

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 

In verse 31, the Lord announces that He will make a new covenant, both with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. The old covenant that He had made with His people was no longer sufficient, therefore a new and better covenant had to come.

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 

The Lord briefly indicates what the shortcomings of the old covenant were that He had made with their fathers:

- He had to take them by the hand as disobedient and unwilling children!

- Those Old Testament people, that unwilling and loveless people Israel, had broken His covenant time and again!

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

But then in verse 33 the Lord indicates how He is going to make the New Covenant with the house of Israel:

- The old law of Moses stood on stone, which was hard and cold!

But in the New Covenant the Lord gives His law in the inward parts of His children, and writes it in their hearts.

- The people from the house of Israel, who love the Lord Jesus Christ and worship Him, He will be to them as God and they will be to Him as people: that is the true Israel of God, to which believers from the Gentiles were later added.

These are the believers from the Jews and believers from the Gentiles, yes, only that is the true Israel!

And therefore not those disobedient and unwilling Jews from the Middle East, who reject the Lord Jesus Christ!

To "the house of Israel" the Lord Jesus Christ spoke:

'Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.' (Matt. 23:38 KJV)

Only a remnant from that unwilling and unbelieving people of Israel was saved! Why? That is not strange or unbiblical, because God's prophets had already indicated that in their prophecies:

1) David in Psalm 24:6 KJV 

'This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.'

2) Isaiah 10:22 KJV 

'For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.'

Paul quoted this prophecy from Isaiah in Romans 9. (v27)

A 'remnant' of the Jews, including himself, believed that the Lord Jesus Christ is the true God, and with those people He has made His New Covenant. That is the true believing, obedient and willing Israel of God (Gal.6:16), and according to this apostle, those are the true Jews. (Rom.2:28-29)

God bless you.

[Jaydub]

On 4/29/2025 at 4:38 PM, Locust said:

it should be realised Jesus did not go any were on his own the day he died, nor did he go anywhere the next day. he was dead! 100% dead. it took an act of his God to turn him into spirit .

17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. 

Jesus is God

 

 

 

 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

7 hours ago, Frits said:

Thanks br. @AdHoc for your long answer. But if I would get $100 for every time you go off-topic, I could retire right away. Can we just skip that nonsense about your hunting parties? Shooting animals for fun and ending the evenings with the use of strong alcoholic beverage, that does not fit Christians, so "people like me".

Now Jeremiah 31:31-33 KJV

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 

In verse 31, the Lord announces that He will make a new covenant, both with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. The old covenant that He had made with His people was no longer sufficient, therefore a new and better covenant had to come.

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 

The Lord briefly indicates what the shortcomings of the old covenant were that He had made with their fathers:

- He had to take them by the hand as disobedient and unwilling children!

- Those Old Testament people, that unwilling and loveless people Israel, had broken His covenant time and again!

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

But then in verse 33 the Lord indicates how He is going to make the New Covenant with the house of Israel:

- The old law of Moses stood on stone, which was hard and cold!

But in the New Covenant the Lord gives His law in the inward parts of His children, and writes it in their hearts.

- The people from the house of Israel, who love the Lord Jesus Christ and worship Him, He will be to them as God and they will be to Him as people: that is the true Israel of God, to which believers from the Gentiles were later added.

These are the believers from the Jews and believers from the Gentiles, yes, only that is the true Israel!

And therefore not those disobedient and unwilling Jews from the Middle East, who reject the Lord Jesus Christ!

To "the house of Israel" the Lord Jesus Christ spoke:

'Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.' (Matt. 23:38 KJV)

Only a remnant from that unwilling and unbelieving people of Israel was saved! Why? That is not strange or unbiblical, because God's prophets had already indicated that in their prophecies:

1) David in Psalm 24:6 KJV 

'This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.'

2) Isaiah 10:22 KJV 

'For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.'

Paul quoted this prophecy from Isaiah in Romans 9. (v27)

A 'remnant' of the Jews, including himself, believed that the Lord Jesus Christ is the true God, and with those people He has made His New Covenant. That is the true believing, obedient and willing Israel of God (Gal.6:16), and according to this apostle, those are the true Jews. (Rom.2:28-29)

God bless you.

In Jeremiah 31:31-33 the scripture tell us that the Lord has not forgotten the North Kingdom, the Kingdom of Israel and he will make  a New Covenant with both the House of Israel and the House of Judah. The same Covenant with  both of them. He is telling us that he will make the two one again. 

The Lord did not tell them his plans for the Gentiles. But also he let them know not to read in his words their own expectations that things will be as in the Old Covenant. The Lord did not announce the terms of the New Covenant. He told them that He will not follow the pattern of the New Covenant. 

He told them what He intended to do but not how he is going to do it. 

He let them know that from the North Kingdom the power of God will come down to the Kingdom of Judah, as it happened. 

Jesus set up his kingdom in Galilee in the sea of Galilee and around Capernaum and the other regions around the sea Galilee according to the scripture. From the north will come the power that will conquer Judah. 

Edited yesterday at 03:02 AM by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

The Gospel was preached from Galileans to kingdom of Judah beginning from Jerusalem and it was offered to all the both people of the Notch and the South Kingdom. 

And then it was offered to the proselyte, to Ethiopian who was a Enuch, that was something big to have a Enuch minister before God as one of the Royal Priest in the New Covenant. That was not foretold in Jeremiah 31:31-33.

Yet this Proselyte Enuch set the stage to bring the Proselytes in parity with the Jews and Israelite believers. 

As their sins were forgiven in the sane way as the other Jews and Israelites believers. 

Then the Samaritans were added to the FLOCK OF JESUS CHRIST. So far all those people were Circumcised. 

Then something happened that it was unheard from, so much so that many of the Jew believers refused to accept. When Peter spoke the words of the Holy Spirit to the uncircumcised Gentiles in the Roman Captain Cornelius house and as soon as Peter finished speaking the words of the Holy Spirit to them that God has provided forgiveness for their sins in the same way as them. And just as Peter finished speaking the Holy Spirit fell upon them in the same way as it had fallen upon them in Jerusalem according to the testimony of Peter and the seven elders that were with him. The Gentiles were added as they were without the Circumcision to JESUS CHRIST FLOCK. 

As Jesus had said that I have other sheep from another flock that I have to bring them in so there will be ONE FLOCK AND WITH ONE SHEPHERD. 

 

[Frits]

On 4/28/2025 at 11:10 PM, Alive said:

I do not in any way subscribe to replacement theology. It makes no sense in light of scripture.

Mat 21:43 KJV 'Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.'

This seems an awful lot like a replacement don't you think? This is purely scripture, and in fact it was the Lord Jesus Christ who spoke these words to the nation of Israël!

[Michael37]

34 minutes ago, Frits said:

Mat 21:43 KJV 'Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.'

This seems an awful lot like a replacement don't you think? This is purely scripture, and in fact it was the Lord Jesus Christ who spoke these words to the nation of Israël!

The Gentile-inclusive ekklesia of the New Testament does not resemble the Gentile-exclusive Israel of the Old Testament, so the term "replacement" is a misnomer.

Move on.

[Frits]

6 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

The Gentile-inclusive ekklesia of the New Testament does not resemble the Gentile-exclusive Israel of the Old Testament, so the term "replacement" is a misnomer.

Move on.

Thank you @Michael37, because the Greek word "ekklesia" means church. Indeed, taken from the nation of Israel and given to the church.

[Michael37]

3 minutes ago, Frits said:

Thank you @Michael37, because the Greek word "ekklesia" means church. Indeed, taken from the nation of Israel and given to the church.

Nice try, but wrong. 

The OT uses the Hebrew word qahal, for "assembly" or "gathering," and obviously this did not pertain to the NT usage of ekklesia. 

The kingdom of God being offered to Israel was the Gospel, the Good News that their Messiah was among them.

[Frits]

2 hours ago, Michael37 said:

The kingdom of God being offered to Israel was the Gospel, the Good News that their Messiah was among them.

Indeed, quite right, but as a nation, Israel subsequently rejected the Lord Jesus Christ! Therefore, God could only save a 'remnant' from them, and that 'remnant', with which the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ came into being. He, Jesus Christ, is the Noble Olive Tree. On Him is grafted every person who loves Him and worships Him as true God.

 

[Michael37]

9 minutes ago, Frits said:

Indeed, quite right, but as a nation, Israel subsequently rejected the Lord Jesus Christ! Therefore, God could only save a 'remnant' from them, and that 'remnant', with which the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ came into being. He, Jesus Christ, is the Noble Olive Tree. On Him is grafted every person who loves Him and worships Him as true God.

 

I sleep well with this in mind:

Rom 11:23-24  And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.  (24)  For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Rhetorical question but hey . . .