Yes, Jesus meant TODAY in his message to the thief on the cross

[Luther]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Nicodemus needed to be crafted into the Tree of Life.

Unless you believe in me after you see me lifted up in the way Moses lifted up the Bronze Serpent, then you will be born into the New Family of God. 

John 3:14-15   14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

Our names need to be found written in the book of Life of the Lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world.

 

Edited Saturday at 04:31 PM by Luther
removed last sentence.

[Your closest friendnt]

14 hours ago, Locust said:

Why you say that

Nicodemus believed that Jesus was the Messiah while he was within the Sinai Covenant. His sins were forgiven according to the book of Leviticus. He was a Jew and he had eligibility to partake in the forgiveness of sins taking place in the Temple by the Priesthood. And he had the privilege to partake in the purifying ceremonies the cleansing with water. 

To enter the Temple and participate in the Atonements in the Temple he had to be Ceremonially clean.

Jesus commented Nicodemus because he was in the righteousness of the Law and he was also Ceremonially clean. The purifications done with water. 

Nicodemus was not a Priest and he had to remain outside the Holy Place. And the Preists in the Holy Place and the High Priest had to remain outside the Most Holy Place. 

With the exception for the High Priest who could ender the Most Holy Place for the service when he was told to do so. 

Jesus told Nicodemus he can't see the Kingdom of God, and one of the specific things Jesus had in his mind it was the following and there were others but this is one of them relevant to Nicodemus that it cannot happen unless Jesus Christ dies first. 

Nicodemus had to believe in him after Jesus would be lifted up from the leaders of the Nation in the same way the leader of the Nation Moses lifted up the Bronze Serpent in the dessert.  And then this is what Nicodemus will come to remember the words of Jesus. 

"I will enter his gates with thanksgiving in my heart and I will enter his courts with praise for this is the day Jesus Christ make with his death on the Cross".

Jesus foretold Nicodemus the order of the Royal Priesthood is his name that the way to the Holy Place in the Heavenly Tabernacle will open for him to ender the Gates and his Courts with Thanksgiving and with Praise into the Most Holy Place. 

If they eat from the Tree of Life they will live forever and they will be with God forever. 

Because they will be part of the family of the Tree of Life forever. The will have the imputed righteousness and the Life of the One who is the Tree of Life. If Jesus did not die this cannot happen. 

Edited Sunday at 05:49 AM by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Locust said:

Why you say that

In two words. If Nicodemus dies after Jesus Christ death on the Cross he will die in his sins if he dies without  believing that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of his sins. Ɓecause the Sanctity of the Priesthood was taken away. They were called Priest only in name. Because the Royal Priesthood was the New Priesthood in the New Covenant. And the vessels in the Temple became common in the New Covenant. Sacrifices were offered but they were not accepted by God, like the Sacrifice of Cain. Their sins were not forgiven by God. After the Cross. 

Edited Saturday at 06:22 PM by Your closest friendnt

[Locust]

16 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

In two words. If Nicodemus dies after Jesus Christ death on the Cross he will die in his sins if he dies without  believing that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of his sins. Ɓecause the Sanctity of the Priesthood was taken away. They were called Priest only in name. Because the Royal Priesthood was the New Priesthood in the New Covenant. And the vessels in the Temple became common in the New Covenant. Sacrifices were offered but they were not accepted by God, like the Sacrifice of Cain. Their sins were not forgiven by God. After the Cross. 

A interesting thought however ...............Romans 6:7

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Locust said:

A interesting thought however ...............Romans 6:7

5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

 

[AdHoc]

6 hours ago, Luther said:

Isaiah 65:7-15 KJV
Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

"Your" is contemporary Israel. "Your fathers" addresses those Israelites who sired them. The Church was not revealed to the prophets. Isaiah could not possibly mean the Church.

The chastisement promised in Isaiah 65 has an end (Acts 15:14-16, Ezekiel 37)

The Church preached to Israel on Pentecost. Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said; 

 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: (Act.2:21–23).

Throughout the Bible Israel is Israel. In New Jerusalem Israel is different to the Church.

[Locust]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

 

ah ,now you is trying to apply what will happen to the elect to every one .even your self . ok sure you dont yet know any better yet we can work on that.

at this point there is thee need to be born again . that means ya have to start over . why ? because ya have been mislead . not every thing is about feel good . the thought of going off to heaven sounds oh so good . yet the vast  Majority of humanity will remain here on earth .

Edited Saturday at 10:11 PM by Locust

[Luther]

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

"Your" is contemporary Israel. "Your fathers" addresses those Israelites who sired them. The Church was not revealed to the prophets. Isaiah could not possibly mean the Church.

The chastisement promised in Isaiah 65 has an end (Acts 15:14-16, Ezekiel 37)

The Church preached to Israel on Pentecost. Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said; 

 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: (Act.2:21–23).

Throughout the Bible Israel is Israel. In New Jerusalem Israel is different to the Church.

Isaiah 65:15 KJV
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

[Frits]

On 5/2/2025 at 5:46 PM, AdHoc said:

I am condemned for celebrating a hunt by having a brandy or two. But, in conjunction with the tithe God ORDERS the following; 

24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee (Deut.14)

To justify your shootings in South Africa, you appeal to Deuteronomy 14? But in v24 it is about a place, "the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there".
Did you set "the Name of God" in the north of South Africa, by shooting animals for fun and drinking congac?
What utter nonsense! Did the evangelist Philip have a gun with him in Samaria and a bottle of congac under his arm, or did he preach Christ there? (Acts 8:5)

[Frits]

On 5/2/2025 at 5:46 PM, AdHoc said:

Jesus is the True Vine. What think ye? Does God, Creator of the vine, make it for grape juice (which cannot occur in nature)? Or do you think that the fruit of Christ is so profound that it "cheereth God"?

So you are now going to compare 'the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God' (Phil. 1:11), with a bottle of liquor you bought at the grocery store? That is not what the Bible means. For the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (1Co 2:13 KJV)