the Resurrection

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22 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

Believers when they leave the body are not dead, they received eternal life from the life giving Spirit and the Lord is that Spirit.

2Co 5:6  Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 
2Co 5:7  (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 
2Co 5:8  We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 

Joh 11:26  And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

If you had posted the full text, you would see (or maybe not) that:

1. We have an earthly Tabernacle from our mother, which, because of the corruption of Adam's seed (Rom.5.12-17), causes us to groan: Paul called it "this vile body" (Phil.3:21).
2. If we put it off in death we are then naked, which would cause us to groan.
3. The solution we seek is to be clothed with a body (Tabernacle) made in heaven. Philippians 3:21 above also says tha the "new" body made without hands is actually "changed". So also is ths thought represented in 1st Corinthians 15:35 onward in which the grammar says "IT" is planted ... "IT" (the same one) is raised. Our Lord also confirms this thought because He still had the wounds of the cross.

1st Corinthians dos not teach that one receives a new body at death. It teaches that the body is RESURRECTED. And in 15:23 it says that resurrection occurs, FOR CHRISTIANS, "AT HIS COMING". That is, from the putting off our earthly tabernacle till its resurrection, or putting the newly manufactured (with the same elements), YOU ARE NAKED. In Acts 2:25-34 David is "NOT ASCENDED" and his tomb (it can only be a tomb if it contains a body), is still in Jerusalem 50 days after Christ's resurrection, and 10 days after His ascension.

Concerning being with the Lord, 2nd Corinthians 5, which we now discuss, says that "ABSENT for the body", we are with the Lord - confirming again that you put off your body at death. How could we then be BODILY present with the lord without a body? We can't. So how are we "with the Lord" IN DEATH? The answer is in John 4.

In John 4:24 the Lord establishes a new mode of worship. We are to worship him IN SPIRIT. That is, I do not have to go anywhere to worship the Lord like the Samaritans and/or the Jews. I worship him from my soul to His Spirit. That is the God-given way of fellowship in the New Testament. So, to receive worship, or have fellowship in death, we must be conscious  in our soul and Jesus must present in spirit. Psalm 139:7-14 says it clearly and plainly that if I make my bed in Sheol (Hades in the Greek), He will be there.

Thus, to summarize,
1. At death a man is torn asunder. He could not possibly be with the lord in Body because it is buried and corrupts
2. At death no new body is given to a man. He received a rebuilt body at RESURRECTION
3. The soul of man, the major part of him, goes to Hades where he has unhindered fellowship with the Lord Whose spirit is omnipresent.
4. According to Paul, who was shown these things, because the corruption of the flesh is not there to hinder, it is "far better" to be with the Lord in death than in life.
5. No man goes disembodied to heaven seeing as he is naked and unclean. He must wait for the resurrection. and subsequent Rapture. Note that dead RISE FIRST in 1st Thessalonians 4:12-17. ad TOGETHER with the Living, are caught away.
6. The LIVING do also not receive a different body. They are "CHANGED" (1st Cor.15:50-54)

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12 hours ago, Locust said:

The spirit you refer to ,the life force that remains in your body it's nothing more than biochemical electricity.

Wow. And scripture calls it the breath of God. But in this case, not the breath of animal vitality but the Holy Spirit for divine life. In Eden God gave man and beast a spirit (Eccl.3:19-21, 12:7) by His breath. This animated and gave animal vitality. Remove it and the man/animal is dead. But in John 1, 3, 14 ad 20 God promised and gave the Holy Spirit for eternal life. The Spirit given on Pentecost was for POWER - not LIFE (Lk.24:49, Act.1:8).

[Locust]

18 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

Wow. And scripture calls it the breath of God. But in this case, not the breath of animal vitality but the Holy Spirit for divine life. In Eden God gave man and beast a spirit (Eccl.3:19-21, 12:7) by His breath. This animated and gave animal vitality. Remove it and the man/animal is dead. But in John 1, 3, 14 ad 20 God promised and gave the Holy Spirit for eternal life. The Spirit given on Pentecost was for POWER - not LIFE (Lk.24:49, Act.1:8).

Take away oxygen and both man and Beast expire. They all have the same spirit. perhaps  part of the problem is the word ''spirit'' . its used by one person to mean one thing and yet by another as some other thing . 

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23 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

Some try to tear Christ asunder saying… His body was dead in the grave, His spirit returned to God, and His soul descended into hell. His divinity would disallow such a thing, Christ was not merely a man and became the life giving Spirit (1 Co 15:45). Christ took our sins into His flesh body and died in the flesh but not in His spirit or soul. Christ was never a damned disembodied spiritless soul and neither will we be if we are members of His ascended Body. God the Father was in Christ on the cross (2 Co 5:19) via the Holy Spirit and He never left Him.
 

You quoted nobody, which is well and good. But it would interest me to know which denomination or sect says the things you addressed.

Also, it puzzles me when you say in one sentence that Christ's divinity would never allow Jesus to be bodily dead in the grave, with His soul in Hades and His spirit returned to God. But this is exactly what happened. And His divinity was in full consent. "I (emphatic) lay down my Life" and "I (emphatic) take it up again".

Also, does 2nd Corinthians say that "God the Father was in Christ on the Cross ... and never left Him". What means then "Father, why have you FORSAKEN me¨"

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2 minutes ago, Locust said:

Take away oxygen and both man and Beast expire. They all have the same spirit. perhaps  part of the problem is the word ''spirit'' . its used by one person to mean one thing and yet by another as some other thing . 

Agreed. "Ruach" in the Hebrew and "Pneuma" in the Greek can mean, "air", "wind", "breath" and "spirit". The context must tell. In John 3 or Lord was talking to Nicodemus about "wind" but He meant the Spirit that changes one's nature from serpentine to "partakers of the divine life". Of course, it is the Holy Spirit who gives all - whether wind or the divine life.

[Locust]

9 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

Agreed. "Ruach" in the Hebrew and "Pneuma" in the Greek can mean, "air", "wind", "breath" and "spirit". The context must tell. In John 3 or Lord was talking to Nicodemus about "wind" but He meant the Spirit that changes one's nature from serpentine to "partakers of the divine life". Of course, it is the Holy Spirit who gives all - whether wind or the divine life.

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[Locust]

then there's ,pagan  belief. which trys to describe a life force in a man that can leave and then go somewhere . if it can do that why even bother staying in a human body ??   

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2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

That is, from the putting off our earthly tabernacle till its resurrection, or putting the newly manufactured (with the same elements), YOU ARE NAKED.

We Christians HAVE a body, a spiritual body (2 Cor.5:1), so we are not naked after our earthly body dies.

2Co 5:1 KJV For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

With that spiritual body we take up residence with the Lord Jesus Christ at the moment of our death.

[Frits]

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

David is "NOT ASCENDED" and his tomb (it can only be a tomb if it contains a body), is still in Jerusalem 50 days after Christ's resurrection, and 10 days after His ascension.

King David most certainly ascended to heaven, but that happened at a different time than when he was 'dead and buried', as stated by Acts 2:29.

David ascended 'on high', at the moment that the Lord Jesus Christ delivered all the righteous people from the Old Testament (beginning with Abel) from the realm of the dead! David was certainly there, because he was a man after God's own heart. (Acts 13:22)

The Lord Jesus Christ went through the heavens and thereby subdued death and made it powerless, and when He went on high He took all the righteous 'captives' with Him. 

Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.” (Eph.4:8)

By the way, in the Bible a grave is also called a grave if there is no body in it anymore, look:

Luke 24

v2: And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. v3: And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

[Frits]

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

The soul of man, the major part of him, goes to Hades where he has unhindered fellowship with the Lord Whose spirit is omnipresent.

Br. AdHoc you are making statements here that are in conflict with the statements of the Lord Jesus Christ!
For (Gr.) Hadēs we call the realm of the dead, that is where death rules over sinners and where they must wait for the last judgment after their death.
But of those people who believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the true God and love and worship Him, because of their great gratitude that they have been redeemed and saved by Him, of those justified people the Lord Jesus Christ says:

'Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.'
(John 8:51)

These faithful people will be with God, in His heavenly Kingdom! (read John 17:24)