" I do not believe in the Faith movement."

[yomotalking]

I was brought up in a Church that loudly proclaims fath.

Sure, I believed it.

I'd done it before, stood in faith.

But now............not sure.

The reason for this:

I briefly knew a young man.

He had a condition which was grave.

People from our Church "stood in faith" over him for the whole of his life.

He died.

Before reaching 25.

He was the delight of all.

Everyone loved him.

This isn't the only story I know of.

Seems to me, that the Faith Movement is way over the top.

Maybe Jesus was talking about our realationship with Him, instead of our healing.

Yesssssssssssss..................I know that verse,

"By His Stripes we are Healed"...............

But, if people have faith, and it does not work, hmmmmmmmmm.

The elders of my Church stood over him in prayer every day of his life.

I believe their faith was very strong.

But..............it seems it did not heal him.

Do you believe in the faith movement?

I'd like to know your view.

[ayin jade]

Hi Yomo,

I think you are meaning what I know of as the word of faith movement. I believe their doctrine is in error. The phrase by His stripes we are healed is from Isaiah.

But He was wounded for our transgressions; He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was on Him; and with His stripes we ourselves are healed.

Please note the context is refering to our sins.

Yomo, sometimes it is Gods will someone we care about dies. Remember the sparrows. Not one of them falls without the will of the Father. That young man you refer to is much loved and will be much missed Im sure. For reasons we wont understand here, it is His will to call him home.

Getting back to the word of faith movement. Their doctrine may be off base, but the Lord is still real and Jesus is still the only way. Perhaps it is time for you to grow and understand more of what our beliefs mean. Perhaps it is time for you to grow beyond the milk stage of understanding the Lord and to chew on the meat a bit. (The reference is from Hebrews.)

God bless

[Bolts]

I read somewhere in one of the posts that often we as christians take our requests to the alter and expect God to bless it. This really spoke to me. I am guilty of doing that very thing.

If we take a quick look at our relationship with our parents, there are many times when the answer is either yes/no/wait/not now. My parents were in full control of circumstances that I had no insight into - I didn't always understand or agree with their answer. In this earthly relationship with my parents, the key to getting a response was to ask before getting an answer.

As christians we often tend to expect God to do as we say. This is not the kind of faith that God appreciates. If we went to our parents with a wrong attitude, we would not get a warm reception there either. However, just like our parents, God will do what he knows is right under the circumstances. Jesus taught his disciples how to pray in Matthew 6. He also teaches in this chapter to seek.

Bless you in Jesus Precious Name

[kodischild]

No, I don't think that WE can heal people by praying for them and having faith. That would mean God answers to us.

I think God has every right to say "no" if he has something else planned. How can we possibly know what His reasons are for letting a person die, or even letting them be sick.

Often we can see later why bad things had to happen the way they did. Sometimes God doesn't reveal the reasons to us. I see no reason why we should lose faith over that.

[Fiosh]

Also, sometimes we forget that from God's perspective, to die in faith is the greatest blessing we can receive.

[Avidan]

Hi Yomo,

I think you are meaning what I know of as the word of faith movement. I believe their doctrine is in error. The phrase by His stripes we are healed is from Isaiah.

But He was wounded for our transgressions; He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was on Him; and with His stripes we ourselves are healed.

Please note the context is refering to our sins.

Yomo, sometimes it is Gods will someone we care about dies.

Remember the sparrows. Not one of them falls without the will of the Father. That young man you refer to is much loved and will be much missed Im sure. For reasons we wont understand here, it is His will to call him home.

Getting back to the word of faith movement. Their doctrine may be off base, but the Lord is still real and Jesus is still the only way. Perhaps it is time for you to grow and understand more of what our beliefs mean. Perhaps it is time for you to grow beyond the milk stage of understanding the Lord and to chew on the meat a bit. (The reference is from Hebrews.)

God bless

Ayin Jade, Those who are indwellt with HOLY SPIRIT, will never, never, die one second before, or one second after there apponinted time.

The "faith" movement is in arears. Give a buck, get a hundred. This horrific doctrine has commercialized YHSHWH-GOD.

Ever hear them say" the curses of "God" are upon you if you do not give your money?

Matt23:Verse 14:

"WOE UNTO YOU, SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, HYPOCRITES! For you DEVOUR WIDOWS' HOUSES..."!!!

(4), "For they bind HEAVY BURDENS and GRIEVOUS to be born, and lay them on men's [AND WIDOW'S] shoulders; but THEY themselves will NOT move them with one of their fingers."

That is correct. They live in million dollar mansions, have private jets, maids, live at the finest hotels money can buy, and thay give not one penny.

The tithe has been introduced to the Body of Christ using 2 tactics of the enemy.

1) Sowing guilt and shame into the Body of Christ by quoting Malachi 3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. But you ask, `How do we rob you?' In tithes and offerings." What devoted Christian wants to rob God? And, are we under the law? IE; Malachi.

The net effect of sowing guilt has been to extort money from the Body of Christ, thereby robbing the Body of the joy and blessing of giving as God leads. The practice ignores Paul

[cag7800]

i was listening to jimmy swaggart the other day talk about this........he helped start the word of faith movement,after his fall he says God revealed to him that this is false doctrine and he had preached it for years,he also says it is *another christ*he said that what we needed to be learning Christ and the cross,that is what Paul said

[EricH]

I believe in faith. I like to think of faith the way Daniel'f friends did when they were going to be thrown into the furnace. They basically said that God was able to deliver them. But they also said that even if God did not deliver them, He was still God. They had faith in the character of God to always do the right thing. They had faith in God's character that looked past circumstances

[kodischild]

I believe in faith. I like to think of faith the way Daniel'f friends did when they were going to be thrown into the furnace. They basically said that God was able to deliver them. But they also said that even if God did not deliver them, He was still God. They had faith in the character of God to always do the right thing. They had faith in God's character that looked past circumstances

Yeah! What he said!

[abbershay]

can you imagine arriving in heaven , totally overwhelmed and saying but i didnt get healed , while stnding there without a pain in your body. Ghee may be i should go back.......... i dont think so....