Locusts

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, Locust said:

?  I don't know how to apply that term. nor why you choose to 

Crowns symbolise sovereignty, of which there are levels. 

Rev 9:11  And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
 

[Locust]

5 hours ago, Michael37 said:

on their heads were as it were crowns like gold,

not really crowns not really made of gold. could indicate they have  a royal appearance

Edited March 21 by Locust

[appy]

5 hours ago, Locust said:

 

''and their faces were as the faces of men.''    indicates their capacity  to love,to care ,to be concerned 

Sorry, I can't agree with you on your statement.  With that said, I'll let everyone read the passages for themselves. 

Revelation 9:1-11 (NIV)

The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 

3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 

5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 

9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 

11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).

 

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, Locust said:

a royal appearance

Sovereignty is signaled by royal appearance. The Book of Revelation has been described as a rich heraldry of endtimes events. These days the terms "optics" and "public relations" are used.

The Book of Revelation is rich with symbolic and vivid imagery, often using phrases like "resembling" or "being like unto" to describe visions of the divine, the apocalyptic, and the otherworldly. Here are a few notable examples where this kind of descriptive language is used:

1. Revelation 4:6-7 - The description of the four living creatures:

   • "And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle."

2. Revelation 9:7-8 - The locusts from the abyss:

   • "And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions."

3. Revelation 1:14-15 - The description of Christ in glory:

   • "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; and his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters."

[Dennis1209]

5 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Sovereignty is signaled by royal appearance. The Book of Revelation has been described as a rich heraldry of endtimes events. These days the terms "optics" and "public relations" are used.

The Book of Revelation is rich with symbolic and vivid imagery, often using phrases like "resembling" or "being like unto" to describe visions of the divine, the apocalyptic, and the otherworldly. Here are a few notable examples where this kind of descriptive language is used:

1. Revelation 4:6-7 - The description of the four living creatures:

   • "And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle."

2. Revelation 9:7-8 - The locusts from the abyss:

   • "And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions."

3. Revelation 1:14-15 - The description of Christ in glory:

   • "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; and his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters."

Not that it matters, but I support Michael's assessment with the descriptive symbology. Animal symbology is used throughout the Bible as descriptives for appearance, character, or attributes to make it understandable throughout the ages. Ancient Hebrew and Greek had no words or modern vocabulary to describe the spiritual or advanced end-time technologies. Ezekiel's chapter one is a good example. Thus, verbs "like" and "were as" are comparative descriptions denoting something to pay attention to.

As an example, using only what they had available to communicate (animals-nature-creation), try to describe the picture below. Apply the same to modern weapons of war, armor, battle dress, drones, missiles, supersonic jet fighters, etc.

Revelation 4:7 (KJV) And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

Another example is the symbolic representative metaphoric use of words. A fierce lion represents the wild animal kingdom, the king of beasts. A calf represents the domesticated animal kingdom. The face of a man is self-explanatory. Notice the flying eagle (fowl); other unclean birds, like a stork, could have been used. The eagle is majestic, powerful, and incredibly swift. It is representative of the fowls of the earth. In this context, saving a remnant of Israel denotes speed and swiftness.

 I suspect the above (and Eze. 1) symbolizes the Beasts (Cherubim-Watchers) watching over creation and transporters of God's throne when He desires. If these thoughts are accurate, what about the serpents, fish, reptiles, and cold-blooded animals? That would raise some additional interesting theological questions.

With good arguments, some suggest that Rev. 4:7 may be associated with the four gospels.

This picture brings back a bunch of old memories of yesteryear.

 

 

 

[Locust]

by royal appearance is the thought that they are not yet considered to be  actual royalty .....yet destined to be .

the positions they fill is yet in the future  .that future is not that far off from now

[abcdef]

On 3/21/2025 at 10:54 AM, Locust said:

by royal appearance is the thought that they are not yet considered to be  actual royalty .....yet destined to be .

the positions they fill is yet in the future  .that future is not that far off from now

The 5th trumpet locusts rose from the abyss years ago, 1929.

They are associated with the beast which is Rome.

They are false prophets, Rev 9:10, Isa 9:15. (Also see Rev 9:19 as false prophets.)

[abcdef]

On 3/16/2025 at 6:54 PM, FriendofJonathan said:

There is a teaching among some modern Christian preachers that the locusts that John the Baptist ate with wild honey in the wilderness were not bugs, bug a plant pod called 'carob bean.'  

While the greek word for locust: ἀκρίς (akris), occurs four times in the NT: plural in Matthew 3:4, Mark 1:6, and Rev. 9:3, and 9:7, there is no corresponding Greek word/s for 'carob bean pods.'

So, are these preachers right: was John eating something other than crunchy bugs with his wild honey?

The point of John's eating "wild beans" or locusts is this, John was living outside the Roman and delinquent Jewish system. John wouldn't need the money when God provided his needs.

It allowed John to be as sinless as possible. 

[Locust]

26 minutes ago, abcdef said:

The 5th trumpet locusts rose from the abyss years ago, 1929.

They are associated with the beast which is Rome.

They are false prophets, Rev 9:10, Isa 9:15. (Also see Rev 9:19 as false prophets.)

the beast is government . its the one that put the locust into the pit in the first place . because they had gotten out as they did indicates there was involvement from higher  sources.

not sure how ya came up with 1929

 

[FriendofJonathan]

1 hour ago, abcdef said:

The point of John's eating "wild beans" or locusts is this, John was living outside the Roman and delinquent Jewish system. John wouldn't need the money when God provided his needs.

It allowed John to be as sinless as possible. 

Why do you think the locusts were beans and not bugs?  The same word for locusts Matthew is used in Revelation re: John's vision of locusts coming out of the smoke.  Regardless of the symbolism in Revelation, locusts in Rev. 9 refers to the bug.