Zechariah 5 is imminent

[Your closest friendnt]

19 hours ago, luigi said:

The bible informs us how to decipher Gods Word, which is by studying the Word. Rather than providing unsubstantiated conjecture about what something means in Gods Word,--I then look for related material in order to substantiate what is being described.

If we look at events shown in Zechariah 4, we see the two witnesses, who are the same two witnesses who are killed by the beast who rises from the bottomless pit in Revelation 11:7. As such, we can determine that the events in Zechariah 5 follow those of the two witnesses in Zechariah 4. The curse that goeth over the face of the whole earth (Zechariah 5:3), is therefore the bottomless pit that is opened from which the beast shall arise, and initiate his new world order.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Zechariah 5:3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.

You missed the point. The two olive trees are the two people anointed  by the Lord to build the Temple. The King Zerubabbel and the High Priest Joshua 

You are not doing an exegesis from the scriptures at hand. You bring in your thinking but still the Gap is not bridged. 

Edited Thursday at 05:31 PM by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

6 hours ago, luigi said:

The bible informs us how to decipher Gods Word, which is by studying the Word. Rather than providing unsubstantiated conjecture about what something means in Gods Word,--I then look for related material in order to substantiate what is being described.

If we look at events shown in Zechariah 4, we see the two witnesses, who are the same two witnesses who are killed by the beast who rises from the bottomless pit in Revelation 11:7. As such, we can determine that the events in Zechariah 5 follow those of the two witnesses in Zechariah 4. The curse that goeth over the face of the whole earth (Zechariah 5:3), is therefore the bottomless pit that is opened from which the beast shall arise, and initiate his new world order.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Zechariah 5:3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.

You missed the point. The two olive trees are the two people anointed  by the Lord to build the Temple. The King Zerubabbel and the High Priest.  

You are not doing an exegesis from the scriptures at hand. You bring in your thinking but still the Gap is not bridged. 

[luigi]

6 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You missed the point. The two olive trees are the two people anointed  by the Lord to build the Temple. The King Zerubabbel and the High Priest.  

You are not doing an exegesis from the scriptures at hand. You bring in your thinking but still the Gap is not bridged. 

The point I brought up is the timing of the two witnesses in Zechariah 4, is that of the two witnesses in Revelation 11, which comes at the time the beast makes his appearance. The curse that goeth over the face of the whole earth (Zechariah 5:3), therefore correlates with when the beast having 10 horns and seven heads initiates the new world order program (that goeth over the face of the whole earth).

[luigi]

Though off topic from what the curse in Zechariah 5:3 is; the premise that a physical temple in Jerusalem is built in association with the two witnesses in Zechariah 4 is wrong. What is built by the two witnesses is the spiritual temple of God through their testifying.

[luigi]

3 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I disagree, strongly disagree.   Certainly I have to go with the scriptures at hand. The scriptures preceding chapter five. 

If you do not have Revelation just the disciples did not have and yet they spoke about Zacharias prophetic book. They Preached the Gospel from Zacharias prophetic book. Why you are not speaking like they did? 

They lived in both times before the prophetic in Zacharias was not Fullfilled yet and in the times after the prophetic in Zacharias was fulfilled. 

The prophetic in Zacharias has been fulfilled. The Gospel is being Preached, Jesus has died. The capstone in Zacharias 3 has been set in place since two thousand years ago. 

When some individual says something in scriptures has been completed without providing substantiating scriptural support;--another individual who provides substantiating scriptural support for what is being described in scriptures is more likely the truth. The Lord provides numerous correlations in scriptures so that we may more accurately divide the Word in its true context.

[farouk]

13 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You missed the point. The two olive trees are the two people anointed  by the Lord to build the Temple. The King Zerubabbel and the High Priest.  

You are not doing an exegesis from the scriptures at hand. You bring in your thinking but still the Gap is not bridged. 

Hi @Your closest friendnt I think in the scheme of interpretation that Zechariah is more to do with Israel rather than with the church.....

[Your closest friendnt]

7 minutes ago, farouk said:

Hi @Your closest friendnt I think in the scheme of interpretation that Zechariah is more to do with Israel rather than with the church.....

Specifically it had to do at that time with Judah only and Jerusalem. 

 Zechariah 2:12, it is stated that "The Lord will inherit Judah as His portion in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem.

[farouk]

Just now, Your closest friendnt said:

Specifically it had to do at that time with Judah only and Jerusalem. 

 Zechariah 2:12, it is stated that "The Lord will inherit Judah as His portion in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem.

@Your closest friendnt As per 1 Corinthians 10.32, it can indeed be helpful to distinguish who a passage is really talking about, rather than everyone being lumped together in one's scheme of interpretation..........

[Bill Barton]

IMHO: Zechariah chapter 5 describes a (metaphorical) scroll flying over the Middle East in the yet-future end times, declaring a curse on the inhabitants, consisting of judgments.

[Keras]

37 minutes ago, Bill Barton said:

IMHO: Zechariah chapter 5 describes a (metaphorical) scroll flying over the Middle East in the yet-future end times, declaring a curse on the inhabitants, consisting of judgments.

Would it be this Judgment?

   Isaiah 29 -   The Lords fiery judgement on the Middle East:

Isaiah 29:1-2 Woe to you Ariel! Ariel, the city where David settled. The years roll on and you carry out your festivals. Yet, I shall reduce Ariel to dire straits. There will be suffering and sorrow, when I make her My fire altar.

Ariel – is a pun on the Hebrew word, ‘har’el’ = the Temple burnt offering altar. In this prophecy, it refers to Jerusalem and all the Jewish State of Israel.  Ezekiel 21:1-7, Isaiah 22:1-14, Amos 2:4-5, Jeremiah 12:14

Isaiah 29:3-4 I will encompass you and besiege you with the visitation of My fiery judgement. You will be brought low, you will hide underground, your voice will whisper out of the earth.       The survivors in Jerusalem will shelter in underground bunkers. Isaiah 31:5, Isaiah 6:13, Isaiah 37:31-32

The Lord’s judgement/punishment of the nations, by fire from God’s storehouse, Deuteronomy 32:22,34-35,41-43, will be an explosion on the suns surface, Isaiah 30:26a, Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:1, Hebrews 10:27, 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation  6:12-17

Joel 2:1-11 Sound the alarm!  For the Day of the Lord’s wrath is coming. As the sun rises, a vast host will appear, the like has never been known. It advances in a devouring fire, behind is a leaping flame that leaves a desolate wasteland. Nothing can escape it, nothing can stop it and as it strikes, the earth quakes and the heavens thunder. Who can survive that dark and terrible Day?  NOT a human army!

Isaiah 29:5-8 But, your enemies will become like dust, those ruthless hordes, like blown chaff. Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord Almighty, with earthquakes, thunder, storms and a blaze of devouring fire. All the nations warring against Mt Zion, will vanish, as a dream, like one who is hungry or thirsty; then wakes to find himself empty, so it will be with all those peoples attacking Israel. Malachi 4:3

The fire judgement on the Middle East, striking ‘in an instant’, will be a Coronal Mass Ejection: a sunstrike of unprecedented magnitude and is the next prophesied event we can expect, it is the Day that will ‘come as a thief’, sudden and unexpectedly. Zechariah 3:9, Isaiah 10:17 It is quite a different event to what is described about the attack and destruction of Gog or of Armageddon, both to come later, at their Appointed times.  Psalm 83:13-18, Isaiah 34:5, Isaiah 30:25-28 & 30, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Revelation 14:18-20

The regeneration of the Middle East:  Isaiah 35, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Amos 9:13-15

Isaiah 29:17-21 In a very short time, the Land will be made prosperous again. On that Day, the deaf will hear and the blind will see and the lowly and poor will exult in the Holy One of Israel. The ruthless and evil peoples will be gone, all who practice falsehood will be cut down.  Isaiah 66:12-17, Psalms 107:1-43, Jeremiah 33:12-13

Isaiah 29:22-23 Therefore, these are the words of the Lord, who redeemed Abraham, about the House of Jacob: [now: every true Christian believer]  This is no time for you to be ashamed, no time to be frightened, for his descendants will praise My Name, when they see what I have done for them. They will stand in awe of the Holy God of Israel. Reference: REB, NIV. Some verses condensed.

Christian Israelites, all those who kept faithful during the sudden disaster of the Sixth Seal, be they descendants of Jacob or grafted in, will be gathered into the Land, ”in a very short time” after the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath against the nations.  Ezekiel 20: 34-38, Isaiah 11:11-12, Jeremiah 30:18-24, Rev 7:9