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[Biblican]

On 3/24/2025 at 2:06 AM, Ogner said:

1. One of the most notable contributions of the USSR to the creation of modern secular Israel was its vote in the United Nations in favor of the Palestine Partition Plan. On November 29, 1947, the UN General Assembly adopted Resolution No. 181, which provided for the establishment of two independent states—Jewish and Arab—on the territory of Mandatory Palestine. The Soviet Union, led by Stalin, actively supported this plan and voted "in favor."

USSR and the Eastern Bloc: The Soviet Union, the Byelorussian SSR, the Ukrainian SSR, Poland, and Czechoslovakia voted as a united front. This was Stalin’s firm stance. The Soviet Union not only voted "in favor" but also played a significant role in persuading its allies (Czechoslovakia, Poland) to support the resolution.

Great Britain: Abstained.

2. The USSR played a key role in providing the Jewish state with weapons through its Eastern Bloc ally, Czechoslovakia. In 1948, during modern Israel’s War of Independence, Czechoslovakia became the primary supplier of arms to Israeli forces. This included rifles, machine guns, artillery, and even aircraft such as Messerschmitt Bf 109 fighters (in the Czech version, Avia S-199).

These supplies were sanctioned by Stalin and coordinated with Soviet leadership. For example, as part of Operation "Balak," Israel received about 25 aircraft, as well as a significant amount of small arms and ammunition. Czechoslovakia, being under strong Soviet influence, could not have carried out such deliveries without Moscow’s approval. This weaponry played a decisive role in Israel’s success in the war against the Arab armies.

3. The USSR actively contributed to strengthening modern secular Israel through the emigration of Jews from Eastern Europe. After World War II, many Jewish refugees from countries within the Soviet sphere of influence (Poland, Romania, Hungary) were given the opportunity to leave for Palestine/Israel.

The Soviet Union, under Stalin’s leadership, played a pivotal role in the creation of modern secular Israel by providing political support in the UN and ensuring military assistance through Czechoslovakia. Without the Soviet vote in the UN and the supply of weapons at a critical moment in Israel’s history, its establishment could have been significantly more difficult.
 

Thanks for the info. Explains why when the Jews were located to Israeli after world war two to the kibbutz they were schooled in socialism.

[Edward429451]

25 minutes ago, Biblican said:

According to history, the Jews and the Palestinians were all living together in peace. Then one of the Rothschilds from the illuminati banking family started buying up land there and importing Jews from Europe to run them. These were not Semite Jews, descendants from Abraham for the most part they were converts. When they ran out of housing and the Arabs refused to sell, the Jews formed terrorists groups to drive out the Arabs and the British. The Jews attacked one village, and massacred over 200 men, women and children which started an exodus of the Arabs out of Palestine. It has been said that if it wasn't for that attack there would be no Israel today. So the whole problem originated when the Jews drove the Arabs out of their homes. They had lived there for 1300 years.  The Jews are still trying to drive them out of their homes and this is why the Jews need to repent and the Palestinians need to forgive. God gave the land to the Jews, but they were required by God to live as one with the strangers in their land. The Arabs are more than that, they are also Abraham's seed and have a right to live there with the Jews. There will not be a solution to this until Jesus returns. The Jews' behavior is one reason why God says He will bring their enemies upon them in the latter days. 

The Jews are being portrayed as the victims, but the whole problem originated with their aggressions which is downplayed and covered up. They spend a lot of money buying favorable press. They were offering $5,000 to YouTube influencers to produce favorable content about Israel. And what most people don't know is Israel funded Hamas in order to prevent negotiations for a two state solution which the Israelis do not want.

"Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."  Benjamin Netanyahu -2019 at a Likud party conference

Gershon Hacohen, former commander of the 7th Armored Brigade and an associate of Benjamin Netanyahu, said in 2019 in an interview [32]:

“Netanyahu’s strategy is to prevent the option of two states, so he is turning Hamas into his closest partner. Openly Hamas is an enemy. Covertly, it’s an ally.”[33]

Bezalel Smotrich, a far-right lawmaker and finance minister under Netanyahu Government, called the Palestinian Authority a "burden" and Hamas an "asset"

On January 19, 2024, Reuters reported that Josep Borrell, the EU foreign policy chief, said while receiving an honorary doctorate from the University of Valladolid that "Israel had financed the creation of Palestinian militant group Hamas, publicly contradicting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has denied such allegations." and that "Borrell added the only peaceful solution included the creation of a Palestinian state. 'We only believe a two-state solution imposed from the outside would bring peace even though Israel insists on the negative,' he said." [35] [36] Borrell also described Israel as having "created Hamas", but immediately continued saying that "yes, Hamas was financed by Israel to weaken the Palestinian Authority". [37] [38] [39]

Professor Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official, publicly acknowledged that Hamas was "Israel's creation."[40] Similar statements have been made by Yasser Arafat.[41]

Shlomo Brom [he], retired general and former deputy to Israel's national security adviser, believes that an empowered Hamas helps Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu avoid negotiating over a Palestinian state, suggesting that there is no viable partner for peace talks.[27]

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What makes you think that I havent prayed for the Palestinians? Scripture says that there were people of all tribes and nations in heaven, so that must include Palestinians too. 

I dont have anything against the Palestinians. They've never done anything to me, I live a half world away from them. I've never even been to that land before.

You dont seem to be much in the conversation? That's quite a bit of copy/paste there. Some of that might be true and I saw what I believed to be lies also within what you wrote (copy/pasted). But how would I even know most of that stuff that you copy/paste and assert it as somehow your own. I dont want to discuss against Wikipedia! 

Now I'm guessing that you dont really know all that you (rote). Have you ever been to Israel? I'm guessing no. Just how well informed are you politically about Israel and it's enemies & actions? I'm guessing about as much as normal women with lives going on and perhaps kids & marriages and all that. So I think what happens is, it is sorta interesting to you and you listen in and read things here and there, much of which is propaganda from both sides, lol! You have to take that stuff with a grain of salt Sister. I understand that women are emotionally driven so what I think happens is you read something like that and it touches your heart because, it's such a sad story...so you get behind it without fully understanding the truth of what is really happening behind the scenes in all truth. You don't know. I dont know. 

 

So all we really have to go on in these type situations is what we see with our eyes and our own personal experience. Yeah, Israel has been in a state of war for 1000's of years, and it continues today. What experience has taught me very well upon this planet is that, when someone sucker-punches you...you punch them back and even harder than they hit you. It's "On" when someone sucker-punches you. Someone has brought me a fight! Shall I not fight and defend myself and try to evangelize them instead? Sister, Evangelism is a very good thing, but a simple fact of life is that you generally do not have time to evangelize people who are trying to kill you and are pointing weapons at you !!! First you fight and then you evangelize if you can. 

 

So why did Hamas attack Israel on Oct 7th? I hope you dont think that Israel orchestrated it's own attack from Hamas because that would be ludicrous. I understand that the Jews are a stiff necked people and not always very nice, but that can be said about anyone's culture on earth. So please dont tell me how nice the Palestinians are and how evil the Jews are...or presume to me that you know how I feel about any of them. (we wrestle not against flesh and blood people, it is the demonic oppression that many of them are under that is the real enemy.

 

If someone attacked you and perhaps was attempting to rape you as is done often to women...your husband rushes in to save you...do you think your husband should beat the attacker down or come in with his Bible and evangelize him, love him and forgive him...? 

Because when Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7th, they were being brutal, vicious and totally without regard to sanctity of life or women & children folk. Such brutal atrocities were done by Hamas to Israel, that...you think they should be forgiven? What's next? And not resist them when they come and attack you? 

 

Look, when someone attacks you and sucker-punches you, one does not beat them to death for it, for some are not as brutal and vicious. But depending on the viciousness of the attack sometimes it is wiser to just end it right then and there. One uses a higher level of force than the attack to gain advantage and win. If I came home and someone was in there attacking my wife, slapping her around. I probably wont kill them but beat them down and pass them over to the authorities. But if I come in and my wifes pants have been taken off of her and a rape is in progress or signs that he wants to kill her, then I will kill him. 

He hits you...you hit hit him harder.

He is overly brutal...you kill him and eradicate him. 

Simple as that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Biblican]

2 hours ago, Edward429451 said:

 

What makes you think that I havent prayed for the Palestinians? Scripture says that there were people of all tribes and nations in heaven, so that must include Palestinians too. 

I dont have anything against the Palestinians. They've never done anything to me, I live a half world away from them. I've never even been to that land before.

You dont seem to be much in the conversation? That's quite a bit of copy/paste there. Some of that might be true and I saw what I believed to be lies also within what you wrote (copy/pasted). But how would I even know most of that stuff that you copy/paste and assert it as somehow your own. I dont want to discuss against Wikipedia! 

Now I'm guessing that you dont really know all that you (rote). Have you ever been to Israel? I'm guessing no. Just how well informed are you politically about Israel and it's enemies & actions? I'm guessing about as much as normal women with lives going on and perhaps kids & marriages and all that. So I think what happens is, it is sorta interesting to you and you listen in and read things here and there, much of which is propaganda from both sides, lol! You have to take that stuff with a grain of salt Sister. I understand that women are emotionally driven so what I think happens is you read something like that and it touches your heart because, it's such a sad story...so you get behind it without fully understanding the truth of what is really happening behind the scenes in all truth. You don't know. I dont know. 

 

So all we really have to go on in these type situations is what we see with our eyes and our own personal experience. Yeah, Israel has been in a state of war for 1000's of years, and it continues today. What experience has taught me very well upon this planet is that, when someone sucker-punches you...you punch them back and even harder than they hit you. It's "On" when someone sucker-punches you. Someone has brought me a fight! Shall I not fight and defend myself and try to evangelize them instead? Sister, Evangelism is a very good thing, but a simple fact of life is that you generally do not have time to evangelize people who are trying to kill you and are pointing weapons at you !!! First you fight and then you evangelize if you can. 

 

So why did Hamas attack Israel on Oct 7th? I hope you dont think that Israel orchestrated it's own attack from Hamas because that would be ludicrous. I understand that the Jews are a stiff necked people and not always very nice, but that can be said about anyone's culture on earth. So please dont tell me how nice the Palestinians are and how evil the Jews are...or presume to me that you know how I feel about any of them. (we wrestle not against flesh and blood people, it is the demonic oppression that many of them are under that is the real enemy.

 

If someone attacked you and perhaps was attempting to rape you as is done often to women...your husband rushes in to save you...do you think your husband should beat the attacker down or come in with his Bible and evangelize him, love him and forgive him...? 

Because when Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7th, they were being brutal, vicious and totally without regard to sanctity of life or women & children folk. Such brutal atrocities were done by Hamas to Israel, that...you think they should be forgiven? What's next? And not resist them when they come and attack you? 

 

Look, when someone attacks you and sucker-punches you, one does not beat them to death for it, for some are not as brutal and vicious. But depending on the viciousness of the attack sometimes it is wiser to just end it right then and there. One uses a higher level of force than the attack to gain advantage and win. If I came home and someone was in there attacking my wife, slapping her around. I probably wont kill them but beat them down and pass them over to the authorities. But if I come in and my wifes pants have been taken off of her and a rape is in progress or signs that he wants to kill her, then I will kill him. 

He hits you...you hit hit him harder.

He is overly brutal...you kill him and eradicate him. 

Simple as that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You need to do some more research like I have. What I write is based on the examination of the facts.

By the way, I saw a video produced by Jews that said that the Oct. 7 attack was a set up. The security at the festival was turned off and the police didn't get there for six hours allowing Hamas to do the ultimate damage. This gave Israel the excuse to continue to drive the Palestinians off that beautiful, undeveloped beach front property that Israel wants to give to Trump to develop. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the motives, especially when Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner said the area showed be cleared out.

[Edward429451]

56 minutes ago, Biblican said:

What I write is based on the examination of the facts.

 

How about examination of available facts. And do you merely trust? Or do you trust and verify? 

 

Of course it was a setup. An attack is always a setup. And the winner of the battle gets to write it into history. So how much of what you wrote do you believe? And how much of it have you verified for yourself?

deception is always the enemies primary weapon. At this late point in time I would suggest being very skeptical of what you read. Of course Hamas wants Israel to be the bad guy, isn't that why they attacked them to begin with?! Don't make me laugh! In the entire history of the world, Israel has always been the bad guy...except in scripture.(not where they killed the Messiah, but when they were called God's chosen people!)

 

What were they chosen for anyway? God's chosen people. 

Chosen to bring the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the world. Which they have not done yet I might add! But God's enemy which is in the world will stop Israel from spreading this Jesus Gospel if they possibly can. And scripture says it takes a great tribulation upon Israel to bring them to a saving knowledge of Jesus the Christ but it will come to pass eventually. 

 

So on that note, I dont think there is anything that you can say that would make me dislike Israel or God's chosen people. All we can see is what that spiritual war looks like on the ground in the material world. So of course the enemy will lie and say the Jews are the bad ones, lol. 

The Jews are not perfect, but we dont really get to know what was happening behind the scenes until we get to heaven! Well, either you believe that your bible speaks truth or you dont. 

[Edward429451]

1 hour ago, Biblican said:

The security at the festival was turned off and the police didn't get there for six hours allowing Hamas to do the ultimate damage.

 

This brings up a question. Why did Hamas do the ultimate damage that they could? Why were they so brutal and vicious? Surely you cant be saying that Israel ordered Hamas to attack it's own people and sat there and did nothing. 

 

Uh, with all due respect...you are one silly girl! 

 

Ask yourself, who did this damage to these people? The Hamas fighters right? They went house to house raping and pillaging and taking hostages and killing a lot of people. And you are audacious enough to believe that Israel wanted this on her people? Prepostureous. I dont care what you read, that sounds, uh, not right. 

[Biblican]

7 hours ago, Edward429451 said:

 

This brings up a question. Why did Hamas do the ultimate damage that they could? Why were they so brutal and vicious? Surely you cant be saying that Israel ordered Hamas to attack it's own people and sat there and did nothing. 

 

Uh, with all due respect...you are one silly girl! 

 

Ask yourself, who did this damage to these people? The Hamas fighters right? They went house to house raping and pillaging and taking hostages and killing a lot of people. And you are audacious enough to believe that Israel wanted this on her people? Prepostureous. I dont care what you read, that sounds, uh, not right. 

Currently there is a major upheaval in Israel as they are protesting against the current government's handling of the situation and they are threatening to shut down the country over it. They are also calling for an investigation into Oct 7th. I am not the only one who thinks the situation was fishy. The current government to achieve it own purposes certainly would permit the destruction of its own people to achieve another end. It's been done before and I would not put it past them.

[Biblican]

7 hours ago, Edward429451 said:

 

How about examination of available facts. And do you merely trust? Or do you trust and verify? 

 

Of course it was a setup. An attack is always a setup. And the winner of the battle gets to write it into history. So how much of what you wrote do you believe? And how much of it have you verified for yourself?

deception is always the enemies primary weapon. At this late point in time I would suggest being very skeptical of what you read. Of course Hamas wants Israel to be the bad guy, isn't that why they attacked them to begin with?! Don't make me laugh! In the entire history of the world, Israel has always been the bad guy...except in scripture.(not where they killed the Messiah, but when they were called God's chosen people!)

 

What were they chosen for anyway? God's chosen people. 

Chosen to bring the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the world. Which they have not done yet I might add! But God's enemy which is in the world will stop Israel from spreading this Jesus Gospel if they possibly can. And scripture says it takes a great tribulation upon Israel to bring them to a saving knowledge of Jesus the Christ but it will come to pass eventually. 

 

So on that note, I dont think there is anything that you can say that would make me dislike Israel or God's chosen people. All we can see is what that spiritual war looks like on the ground in the material world. So of course the enemy will lie and say the Jews are the bad ones, lol. 

The Jews are not perfect, but we dont really get to know what was happening behind the scenes until we get to heaven! Well, either you believe that your bible speaks truth or you dont. 

That's the point. There is a great tribulation coming upon Israel and the Christians don't care enough about her to tell her the truth.

[Edward429451]

4 minutes ago, Biblican said:

Currently there is a major upheaval in Israel as they are protesting against the current government's handling of the situation and they are threatening to shut down the country over it. They are also calling for an investigation into Oct 7th. I am not the only one who thinks the situation was fishy. The current government to achieve it own purposes certainly would permit the destruction of its own people to achieve another end. It's been done before and I would not put it past them.

There may well indeed be fishy things going on over there, but do you know this for sure? You have been to Israel and verified it? Or was it from a video blurb of a bunch of people in robes & turbans jumping up and down with some signs? That sort of thing is so easily faked to look real. You are not skeptical enough I think. That sort of thing sounds too far fetched to me to be real. 

[Edward429451]

7 minutes ago, Biblican said:

That's the point. There is a great tribulation coming upon Israel and the Christians don't care enough about her to tell her the truth.

 

I dunno. Do you feel a calling to go to Israel and spread the good news to a bunch of hard necked old Rabbis? 

 

The last I heard that it is illegal to try to convert someone to Christ over there. So they still have some growing to do. 

[Guest maddy07]

On 3/22/2025 at 11:53 AM, Biblican said:

It is my belief that if you love someone and you see that they are doing something wrong that will eventually hurt them, you do what you can to correct them. At least tell them what they are doing wrong and how it could end for them. So in view of this, I am confounded by Christians who say they love Israel and support her, yet don’t care enough to tell her that according to God’s word, Israel is currently on a path that can instigated her prophesied second captivity (Zechariah 14:1,2).

People ask, “Do you support Israel?” It means nothing if I or anyone else supports Israel, it only matters if God supports Israel and according to His word, in the latter days we are in now, He sees her as “Sodom” and “Egypt” (Rev. 11:8). These terms are not compliments. He sees her as immoral and a Gentile idolater.

In Ezekiel’s latter day prophecy, God says that it is He that is bringing her enemies against her (Ezekiel 38:16) as punishment for her sins (Ezekiel 39:23). What are her sins? Prior to Israel’s becoming a nation, all the Semites, Arabs and Jews, lived together there in peace and harmony for 1300 years. Then Zionists, who were associated with the globalist Rothschild banking family, formed terrorist groups to drive out the British and the Arabs to create a Jewish state. The unity that existed between the Jews and Arabs that was so pleasing to God and His will, was shattered. The remains of that peaceful unity were scattered with blood across the land that God had ordained to be the center for a people that would represent Him. They have failed.

In the current situation in Israel today, the Jewish government, operating against the will of many of its citizens, is pursuing a campaign of genocide against the Palestinians. The Jews have broken the terms of their cease fire agreement in order to resume more bombing, deliberately targeting families and children. These are the facts. So far the death toll is over 5,000. God gave the land to the Jews, but what most people do not understand is her right to the land was always conditional. Israel has never met those conditions.

God required her to live in peace as one people with the “strangers,” in her land (Leviticus 19:34). She violated that commandment along with many others which resulted in a 70 year captivity in Babylon. She was told that when she returned to the land she would be given a new everlasting covenant (Jeremiah 32:40), which would be brought in by the Messiah to a restored temple (Malachi 3:1). All this was fulfilled by the Messiah Jesus who came exactly when Daniel’s prophecy foretold, 483 years after the command was made to rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:24,25). The Jews for the most part, rejected the Messiah and the New Covenant which was the new deed to the land. They were given forty years to hear the gospel proclaimed on their own soil before the temple was destroyed in 70AD, just as Jesus prophesied because they, “did not know the time of their visitation” (Luke 19:44), that the Messiah had come.

Once again the Jews were scattered off the land. Many orthodox Jews understood that they were not to come back to the land until Messiah brings them. They are correct. It will not be until Jesus returns and the Jews receive Him as Messiah, that they will have a legitimate right to reside within the boundaries that God has ordained to be their habitation in this life. In the meantime, they are marching toward another disaster. Unless they repent and begin to operate with the compassion that God requires, the armies of Gog and his allies whoever they are, are being readied in the shadows for the time when God must once again discipline His people.

If you love Israel and the Jewish people, tell her that she is not operating under God’s glowing favor right now, and she needs to repent, along with all who are functioning in defiance of God’s Holy Word.

 

 

My thought exactly lately