Be Careful, Church: The ‘Theological’ Arguments Against Israel Are Shamefully Wrong

[Luther]

11 minutes ago, Indentured Servant said:

You found what you wanted to find, yet completely avoided what I was referring to. 

It's a short book, brother. Keep reading, then read it again. Read it until you see what I was pointing out. 

Ask God to show you, seriously. He offered for us to ask Him personally for wisdom, knowledge, insight. 

It's there. You have to trust scripture, and not stop when you're satisfied with that which agrees with you.

I saw a lot of information in my last post that was making a good point. That's pretty sufficient for me. 

[Indentured Servant]

1 minute ago, Luther said:

I saw a lot of information in my last post that was making a good point. That's pretty sufficient for me. 

Ok, so you're saying that you refuse to consult scripture (inspired by the Holy Spirit) and written by prophets commissioned by God, to maintain what you already believe.

Gee, if you are satisfied with your own perspective without actually reading scripture, why read scripture at all? 

Please forgive me for making this statement... You are afraid of God's Word. I've never seen anyone so satisfied with their own statements that they would outright refuse to find scripture that might make them think... even a little.

 

 

I found myself in a similar position many years ago... 

I am a writer and researcher. I was excited to write a book to support what is considered an essential doctrine. I planned it to be an apologetic exegesis that could not be refuted. 

I intentionally wrote it to be strictly scripture with no doctrinal or theological influence. I wanted it to be presented so that no one could accuse me of bias. I prepared it like a legal document, point/counterpoint analysis.

I failed.

Scripture, as I found, though thoroughly and honestly documented, did not support this "essential doctrine." I was affected emotionally, and mentally, by this- 

I lost friends, family, and acceptance into churches. I became a "heretic" for simply understanding scripture outside of the mandates of doctrinal rule.

What resulted was three studies that actually refuted this errant doctrine, which became a draft for a new book. My publisher only wanted it due to its controversial perspective... (Not my style)

The point is, I had to shift my focus to scripture, even scripture that spoke against what I'd learned in churches.

It's a lonely world, to be one who sits with God, at the sacrifice of the respect of those who once called me "brother."

I don't expect anyone else to make the same sacrifices to have the truth. 

I do want to thank you for respectfulness in your comments. It is not necessary for us to continue with this, as we individually have determined our source of knowledge, though I do value your interaction.

Shalom, bro.

 

[NConly]

2 hours ago, FriendofJonathan said:

Define what you mean by "ALL ISRAEL."  Please be specific. 

This what was taught to humans

Ezk 39

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

As one can see in Verse 25 above " Therefore saith the Lord" That is who is speaking.

One can see in the underline portion  The Lord will bring back the ones alive of Jacob this is in progress in today's world still ongoing.

In the enlarged letters we see The Lord says "the whole house of Israel"  I have no reason to doubt The Lord means what He says; the Whole House.

Rom 11

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

I do believe Paul is speaking who was taught by Jesus, If I am wrong correct me.

In V25 the first words are "All Israel will be saved" AS IT IS WRITTEN I have No reason to doubt.

If you are still in doubt or are looking for someone to give you a specific number How can one do that when you see what was taught. All Israel will be saved, I believe Lord.

 

 

[FriendofJonathan]

11 minutes ago, NConly said:

This what was taught to humans

Ezk 39

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

As one can see in Verse 25 above " Therefore saith the Lord" That is who is speaking.

One can see in the underline portion  The Lord will bring back the ones alive of Jacob this is in progress in today's world still ongoing.

In the enlarged letters we see The Lord says "the whole house of Israel"  I have no reason to doubt The Lord means what He says; the Whole House.

Rom 11

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

I do believe Paul is speaking who was taught by Jesus, If I am wrong correct me.

In V25 the first words are "All Israel will be saved" AS IT IS WRITTEN I have No reason to doubt.

If you are still in doubt or are looking for someone to give you a specific number How can one do that when you see what was taught. All Israel will be saved, I believe Lord.

 

 

If you believe wherever you read the word "all" or "whole house of Israel" means every single Israeli that ever lived, I must say you are not comprehending scripture. 

Paul clearly states that only a remnant of Israel according to the election of grace will be saved. (Romans 11:7).  And Paul continues to write that Israel in large part is fallen, or lost, but that he hopes he might be able to provoke some in order that some might be saved. (Romans 11:11-14).  But Paul knows that his fellow Israelis are for the most part lost. 

When Paul speaks of "blindness in part is happened to Israel" (Romans 11:25), he is not saying all of Israel is temporarily blind, because we know Paul and the other apostles who are saved are Israeli, and the Jews saved at Pentecost, and the great number of Jews that sold all they had and shared in common everything,  were all saved.  

The blindness in part refers to those Israelis who don't see the truth because they can't see the truth,  and will never repent and believe. 

"AL Israel shall be saved" in Romans 11:26 refers to the faithful remnant that Paul mentioned just 21 verses earlier: "a remnant according to the election of grace."  (Romans 11:5).

I'm sure you've read John 19:11, where Jesus said that the greater sin is on he who handed Jesus over to Pilate.  If the "he" is Judas, and Judas is Israeli,  then you'd have to agree that Judas, the son of perdition, will be saved.  If the "he" in John 19:11 is the chief priest Caiaphas, then you'd have to agree that Caiaphas will be saved.  Neither of them were faithful toward the Lord Jesus, and both have the greater sin for handing Jesus over to Pilate.  How can they be saved?  

Perhaps you've heard of Tovia Singer. He is in American Jew living in Israel who actively works to convert back to Judaism israeli Jews who receive and proclaim Jesus Christ as savior.

Tovia Singer is among the many talmudic judaism teachers in Israel who teach from the Talmud a verse that says that Jesus is tormented day and night in boiling feces in hell.  Tovia is a Jew and you think that Romans 11:26 guarantees his salvation?   

[farouk]

Similarly, sometimes Galatians 6.16 - 'Israel of God' - is given rather wide and sweeping definition which can undermine much of what else Paul says.

[Anne2]

16 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

Most Christians don't know that the bloodline of Jacob occupies the most important aspects of the end times. 

The prophet Joel wrote about the return of all bloodline descendants of the man God named Israel from other nations. 

When He calls her back, she will be punished, as God promised, and then restored, as God promised, and she will receive her intended purpose, just as God promised.

God is quoted making this very specific promise, which has not come to pass, and John's Revelation speaks of the fulfillment this promise. (But then, if one does not understand scripture outside of their accepted narrative, it's essentially invisible to them.)

 

Sadly, I've encountered only a few individuals who actually know what Scripture says about God's ultimate promise is to Bloodline Israel.

Does anyone know what this specific promise is?

(An answer should be acknowledged with the specific scripture reference that actually answers the question. ...just asking nicely, please...)

 

I think both sides go too far, and this I think goes too far.

If I believe The Church is the Israel of God, the apostolic foundation the The church of the firstborn, it get's called replacement theology, it is not. The apostles were the remnant. Jew's are continuing in the covenant of circumcision, in the Abrahamic covenant. That is why God is not done with them. But, this has no bearing on the covenant made in the blood of Christ. 

[Anne2]

15 hours ago, angels4u said:

God promised Abraham a great nation, a land, and that through him all nations would be blessed (Genesis 12:1-3). 

 

Gen 12:2  And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3  And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Gal 3:7  Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8  And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9  So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10  For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Ga 3:14  That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The Israel of God
1Pe 2:9  But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

[Anne2]

15 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

AND` depending on the context and also all of God`s word.

Now the Old Testament saints did not have faith in Christ for they did not know of Him. They `believed God for a city.``

 

Abraham did....

Joh 8:56  Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

15 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

`But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.` (Heb. 11: 16)

 

No inheritance in the land promised to the 4th generation of his seed....

Acts 7:4  Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
5  And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.
6  And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.
7  And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.

Genesis 15 :13  And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14  And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15  And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16  But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
 

Abraham will die in this covenant.......

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob receive their land in the resurrection from the dead.

His faith is tested.

Genesis 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. {Behold … : Heb. Behold me }
2  And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Heb 11:17  By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18  Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: {Of: or, To }
19  Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

 

He also had to believe God would likewise raise him up right from the start

Den 15:15  And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16  But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
Likewise Isaac, and Jacob, and the twelve patriarchs, the first through third generations of his bowels... Therefore

Ge 50:25  And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.
Ex 13:19  And Moses took the bones of Joseph with him: for he had straitly sworn the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you; and ye shall carry up my bones away hence with you.

Considering what Acts and Hebrews say, how is it Israel must be in the earthly inheritance? Especially concerning the promise to Abraham? It was to the fourth generation.
 

Edited March 24 by Anne2

[angels4u]

What Is God’s Plan For Israel?

 

God’s Future for Israel

1. God has a future for Israel, the Jewish people.

Surprisingly, many Christians believe God has no future for the Jewish people, that God is finished with Israel. This is even though…

God made an everlasting covenant with Israel, the covenant descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God has promised the land of Israel to the covenant descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob with everlasting promises (Genesis 17:8).

Genesis 13:15

…for all the land which you see I give to you and your descendants forever.

Genesis 17:8

Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Some can’t resist spiritualizing all this. For them, “land” doesn’t mean land, “descendants” doesn’t mean descendants, “forever” doesn’t mean forever, and “everlasting possession” doesn’t mean everlasting possession. They spiritualize it all as being for the church today.

While there may be a spiritual application of some of these truths, it doesn’t erase the plain, simple meaning that these words had to those whom God first spoke to them. Remember that the application of God’s promises may become more but will never become less.

God called Israel the land of Israel even when it was under Roman rule and not an independent state (Matthew 2:20-21; 10:23)

Centuries later, God confirmed His commitment to Israel in the strongest possible terms.

Jeremiah 31:35-37

Thus says the LORD,

Who gives the sun for a light by day,

The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,

Who disturbs the sea, And its waves roar

(The LORD of hosts is His name):

“If those ordinances depart

From before Me, says the LORD,

Then the seed of Israel shall also cease

From being a nation before Me forever.”

Thus says the LORD:

“If heaven above can be measured,

And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,

I will also cast off all the seed of Israel

For all that they have done, says the LORD.

Some Christians mistakenly think that the truth of spiritual Israel somehow replaces or erases God’s plan for nationalor ethic Israel.

In Galatians 3, Paul makes the point that God accounted Abraham to be righteous – in right relationship with God – because Abraham believed. He trusted in, relied on, and clung to God and His promises. That’s when Paul wrote:

Galatians 3:7

Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

This is the important idea of “spiritual Israel.” A man or woman of faith is more connected to Abraham spiritually than those who are connected to Abraham genetically.

None of this replaces or erases the idea of national or ethnic Israel, the Jewish people descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and Gentile proselytes who became part of Israel.

The Jewish people are a chosen people (Deuteronomy 7:6), precious to God as the apple of His eye (Zechariah 2:8). They are not chosen to universal salvation, but to have an important role in God’s unfolding plan of the ages. This role did not end with Israel’s part in bringing forth the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

Deuteronomy 7:6

For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth.

The modern state of Israel and the Jewish people are not the same thing. One can criticize policies or actions of the state of Israel and still be supportive of the Jewish people.

However, calls to eliminate or destroy the state of Israel are unbiblical and fundamentally anti-Jewish.

2. Israel will be a burden to the nations; none will help her.

Zechariah 12:3

And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.

Israel’s restoration to faith will happen in stages, as described in Ezekiel’s vision in Ezekiel 37.

In Ezekiel’s vision of the dry bones, he saw them first gathered as bone-to-bone, then muscles and flesh came upon then, then the skin, and finally the breath of life.

We see a similar thing in the gathering of Israel. In 1948, something remarkable happened. A people who had not been a nation for 2,000 years, and for only about 100 years in the last 2,600 years became a nation again. As significant as this was, it was – and is still – a gathering of unbelief. We can say that the bones and come together and the muscles and the flesh have formed – but the breath of real spiritual life has not yet come in fullness.

3. There will be a time of Jacob’s trouble.

Jeremiah 30:7

Alas! For that day is great,

So that none is like it;

And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,

But he shall be saved out of it.

As described in Jeremiah 30, this time of Jacob’s trouble seems beyond the catastrophe of the Babylonian invasions and exile. This is a coming time of catastrophe appointed for the Jewish people, also described vividly by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24:15-22), and there connected to what Jesus called the abomination of desolation.

In connecting Jeremiah 30 with Matthew 24, we note that what we often call the great tribulation is particularly the time of Jacob’s trouble; it is when a great and terrible world leader and the government he represents will try to destroy the Jewish people. Working through these, Satan himself will hope to devour the Jewish people (Revelation 12:1-6).

This does not minimize the persecution that will also be brought against the followers of Jesus, both Jewish and Gentile during that time. Yet in God’s plan of the ages, this is noted as the time of Jacob’s trouble, because God will work in and through this catastrophe to bring salvation to the Jews.

4. God will use this time to deliver Israel.

Jeremiah 30:8

‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’

Says the LORD of hosts,

‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,

And will burst your bonds;

Foreigners shall no more enslave them.

Through this time of incomparable tribulation to come against the Jewish people, God will rescue them and bring them His salvation. He will protect them (as in Revelation 12:6) and bring them to faith in their Messiah, Jesus Christ (Jeremiah 23:6, Romans 11:26).

5. Israel will be attacked.

Zechariah 14:2

For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;

The city shall be taken,

The houses rifled,

And the women ravished.

Half of the city shall go into captivity,

But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Zechariah has the very end times in view, when Jerusalem will be surrounded and attacked by some type of international force. When the Romans came against Jerusalem in a.d. 70 they came with a multinational army and brought terrible destruction on the city and its people. Yet there was none of the deliverance that Zechariah will describe in the following verses, so it is difficult to say that this was fulfilled in the Roman attack upon Jerusalem in a.d. 70.

This attack against Jerusalem will be severe, but the city itself will not be overthrown (the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city).

6. God will protect Israel.

Zechariah 14:3-4a

Then the LORD will go forth

And fight against those nations,

As He fights in the day of battle.

And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,

Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,

From east to west,

Just when it seems that all hope will be gone for Jerusalem and the people of Israel, then the Lord will fight for His people.

God’s defense of Israel described in Ezekiel 38-39 is hard to place in His unfolding prophetic plan, but it may very well fit in this context.

This speaks of the Lord – Jesus, as God the Son – materially returning to a material earth and setting His feet on the Mount of Olives. At that time a great split will cut the Mount of Olives in two, and the persecuted people of Jerusalem will flee through the valley made by the split.

7. The restoration of the Jewish people to repentance and faith in Jesus will be blessing and life for the church (Romans 11:15, 11:25-27).

Romans 11:12

Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

Romans 11:15

For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

Romans 11:25-27

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,

And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;

For this is My covenant with them,

When I take away their sins.”

All this clearly states that Israel has an enduring role in God’s unfolding plan of the ages. God is not finished using Israel. Jesus said that the Jewish people would turn to Him in the last days, welcoming Him as the one Blessed in the name of the Lord.

Matthew 23:39

…for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!”

Individual Jewish believers will come in right relationship with God in the way established by Jesus Christ through the new covenant: repentance and faith. They will trust in, rely on, and cling to who Jesus is, and what He has done to rescue His people, especially what He did at the cross and in His resurrection.

So when all Israel will be saved, they will be saved through embracing Jesus Christ as Messiah – as unlikely as this seems. They are not saved with some peculiar “Jewish” salvation.

The Bible indicates this is a necessary condition for the return of Jesus Christ (Matthew 23:39, Zechariah 12:10–11). Jesus will not return again until God turns the focus of His saving mercies on Israel again, and Israel responds to God through Jesus Christ.

Zechariah 12:10-11

And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.

God made an everlasting covenant with Israel, the covenant descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God has promised the land of Israel to the covenant descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob with everlasting promises (Genesis 17:8).

Genesis 13:15

…for all the land which you see I give to you and your descendants forever.

Genesis 17:8

Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

God called Israel the land of Israel even when it was under Roman rule and not an independent state (Matthew 2:20-21; 10:23)

As part of that covenant, God promised that He would bless those who bless Abraham and his covenant descendants, and curse those who curse them.

Genesis 12:3

I will bless those who bless you,

And I will curse him who curses you;

And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

The truth of spiritual Israel does not replace or eliminate the truth of ethnic or genetic Israel.

Romans 11:26 says, All Israel will be saved. The all Israel of Romans 11:26 is not “spiritual Israel.” It isn’t “spiritual Israel” in Romans 11:25, because that Israel is spiritually blind. Therefore, we shouldn’t regard it as spiritual Israel in Romans 11:26.

We also know this is not “spiritual Israel” because Paul says this is a [25] mystery – and it is no mystery that spiritualIsrael will be saved.

“It is impossible to entertain an exegesis which understands Israel here in a different sense from Israel in verse 25.” (Bruce)

The modern state of Israel and the Jewish people are not the same thing. One can criticize policies or actions of the state of Israel and still be supportive of the Jewish people. However, calls to eliminate or destroy the state of Israel are unbiblical and fundamentally anti-Jewish.

The Jewish people are a chosen people (Deuteronomy 7:6), precious to God as the apple of His eye (Zechariah 2:8). They are not chosen to universal salvation, but to have an important role in God’s unfolding plan of the ages. This role did not end with Israel’s part in bringing forth the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

Israel’s restoration to faith will happen in stages, as described in Ezekiel’s vision in Ezekiel 37.

In Ezekiel’s vision of the dry bones, he saw them first gathered as bone-to-bone, then muscles and flesh came upon then, then the skin, and finally the breath of life.

We see a similar thing in the gathering of Israel. In 1948, something remarkable happened. A people who had not been a nation for 2,000 years, and for only about 100 years in the last 2,600 years became a nation again. As significant as this was, it was – and is still – a gathering of unbelief. We can say that the bones and come together and the muscles and the flesh have formed – but the breath of real spiritual life has not yet come in fullness.

“Every promise to Israel was fulfilled.”

Ezekiel 11:16-20

[16] “Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Although I have cast them far off among the Gentiles, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet I shall be a little sanctuary for them in the countries where they have gone.”’ [17] “Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “I will gather you from the peoples, assemble you from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.”’ [18] “And they will go there, and they will take away all its detestable things and all its abominations from there. [19] “Then I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within them, and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, [20] “that they may walk in My statutes and keep My judgments and do them; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 36:24-28

[24] “For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. [25] “Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. [26] “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. [27] “I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. [28] “Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

Jeremiah 23:3-6

[3] “But I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries where I have driven them, and bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. [4] I will set up shepherds over them who will feed them; and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, nor shall they be lacking,” says the LORD.

[5] “Behold, the days are coming,” says the LORD,

“That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness;

A King shall reign and prosper,

And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.

[6] In His days Judah will be saved,

And Israel will dwell safely;

Now this is His name by which He will be called:

THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.https://enduringword.com/what-is-gods-plan-for-israel-live-qa-for-october-19-2023-2/

 

 

[farouk]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

 

Abraham did....

Joh 8:56  Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

 

No inheritance in the land promised to the 4th generation of his seed....

Acts 7:4  Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
5  And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.
6  And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.
7  And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.

Genesis 15 :13  And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14  And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15  And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16  But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
 

Abraham will die in this covenant.......

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob receive their land in the resurrection from the dead.

His faith is tested.

Genesis 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. {Behold … : Heb. Behold me }
2  And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Heb 11:17  By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18  Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: {Of: or, To }
19  Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

 

He also had to believe God would likewise raise him up right from the start

Den 15:15  And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16  But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
Likewise Isaac, and Jacob, and the twelve patriarchs, the first through third generations of his bowels... Therefore

Ge 50:25  And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.
Ex 13:19  And Moses took the bones of Joseph with him: for he had straitly sworn the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you; and ye shall carry up my bones away hence with you.

Considering what Acts and Hebrews say, how is it Israel must be in the earthly inheritance? Especially concerning the promise to Abraham? It was to the fourth generation.
 

@Anne2  Hebrews 11 does indeed illuminate so poignantly the significance of the OT saints' faith in relation to the coming Christ.