What is his name, and what is his son's name?

[kwikphilly]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

No problem Sis Great seeing you too,it has been awhile....still my pleasure🤎

 

[Indentured Servant]

4 hours ago, Locust said:

as most whales would of been harpooned in their back. fits well with the church stabbing people in the back . 

I wouldn't have worded it that way, but I am familiar with events over the years that may fit that idea.

[Michael37]

8 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

Yes, that's often used when the word cannot be translated into a English word or phrase with clarity, or won't fit with our English grammar.

I think it's funny that a latin transliteration is used to get the English word  "rapture," instead of the transliteration of the Greek word of the same meaning, harpazo...  because an English transliteration of it already exists... "harpoon."

It just wouldn't sound right for people awaiting the Harpooning of the Church.

To be clear though, @Indentured Servant

• Harpatzo comes from Ancient Greek (ἁρπάζω), meaning "to seize," "to snatch," or "to take away by force." It's often used in religious or philosophical contexts, like describing sudden or powerful actions.

• Harpoon, on the other hand, comes from the Old French "harpon," meaning "hook." It evolved to refer to a spear-like tool used for hunting marine creatures, specifically whales.

The common thread between them might lie in the idea of force or sudden action: harpoons physically pierce and seize their target, while "harpatzo" conveys a metaphorical or literal act of seizing. But that's about as close as the connection gets!

The term "rapture" originates from the Latin word rapio, which means "to seize" or "to snatch." Jerome, in his translation of the Bible into Latin (the Vulgate), used a form of this word—rapiemur—in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to translate the Greek word harpázō. This Greek term conveys the idea of being "caught up" or "taken away suddenly," which aligns with the theological concept of the rapture.

Jerome's choice of rapiemur reflects the dramatic and sudden nature of the event described in the verse, where believers are "caught up" to meet the Lord. Over time, the English word "rapture" evolved from this Latin root, encapsulating the same idea of being taken away or seized.

[Locust]

33 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

To be clear though, @Indentured Servant

• Harpatzo comes from Ancient Greek (ἁρπάζω), meaning "to seize," "to snatch," or "to take away by force." It's often used in religious or philosophical contexts, like describing sudden or powerful actions.

• Harpoon, on the other hand, comes from the Old French "harpon," meaning "hook." It evolved to refer to a spear-like tool used for hunting marine creatures, specifically whales.

The common thread between them might lie in the idea of force or sudden action: harpoons physically pierce and seize their target, while "harpatzo" conveys a metaphorical or literal act of seizing. But that's about as close as the connection gets!

The term "rapture" originates from the Latin word rapio, which means "to seize" or "to snatch." Jerome, in his translation of the Bible into Latin (the Vulgate), used a form of this word—rapiemur—in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to translate the Greek word harpázō. This Greek term conveys the idea of being "caught up" or "taken away suddenly," which aligns with the theological concept of the rapture.

Jerome's choice of rapiemur reflects the dramatic and sudden nature of the event described in the verse, where believers are "caught up" to meet the Lord. Over time, the English word "rapture" evolved from this Latin root, encapsulating the same idea of being taken away or seized.

 

 

what are your thoughts on Matthew 24:40

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, Locust said:

what are your thoughts on Matthew 24:40

Be warned!

[enoob57]

17 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

Yes, that's often used when the word cannot be translated into a English word or phrase with clarity, or won't fit with our English grammar.

I think it's funny that a latin transliteration is used to get the English word  "rapture," instead of the transliteration of the Greek word of the same meaning, harpazo...  because an English transliteration of it already exists... "harpoon."

It just wouldn't sound right for people awaiting the Harpooning of the Church.

a pulpateer's nightmare 

[enoob57]

6 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Be warned!

the impending place in time where choice is sealed forever...

[Live2believe]

21 hours ago, Locust said:

ok but Live2believe did stipulate KJV  

Actually, I did not mean how the name is spelled in KJV. Sorry for causing misunderstanding. My question is - what are true names of the Father and the Son? How should we pronounce them?

[Live2believe]

21 hours ago, missmuffet said:

God the Father is Yahweh or Jehovah. God the Son is Jesus Christ.

Yahweh and Jehovah are not the same. Which one is right? Is "Jesus Christ" the name that angel gave to Joseph in Matthew 1:21?

[Edward429451]

On 4/1/2025 at 9:51 PM, Live2believe said:

What are the true names of the Father and the Son? Do you think it is important to know them?

"What is his name, and what is his son's name, If thou canst tell?" (Proverbs 30:4)

Well this thread started out about what are their names, but I see that it has drifted to the rapture. I'll go with what is His Name because the title is what brought me into it. 

I read a book one time called the Nine Billion Names of God...it was a short story and was pretty good. Now I wont give up any spoilers but only seek to bring notice that He has many many names. 

Like this for instance. Is this misquoted? (Lol)

Genesis 1:1

In Christ, God created the heavens and the earth.../KJV

We all know that Christ is called, First Fruits, I Am, Redeemer, Yeshua, and many others. In Proverbs it calls Him, Wisdom. In Genesis 1:1 it calls Him The Beginning. I'll prove it. In the beginning is a Hebrew phrase which means...(!!!)

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h7225/kjv/wlc/0-1/

רֵאשִׁית rêʼshîyth, ray-sheeth'; from the same as H7218; the first, in place, time, order or rank (specifically, a firstfruit):—beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing..../BLB

That sure does sound like it's describing Jesus! Because it is. So, In Christ God created the heavens and the earth is a perhaps more accurate translation than what we are used to. Besides, didnt Jesus say, I am Alpha and omega, the Beginning and the end? He sure did. 

Is Jesus in the Old Testament?! He sure is, the very first verse!