This is war?

[George]

50 minutes ago, Luther said:

Christians, Muslims and Jews lived in Palestine together for a long, long time. They managed to coexist quite well. 

That was in the past, historically, when NOBODY WAS living in the land!

[Orion]

4 hours ago, George said:

That was in the past, historically, when NOBODY WAS living in the land!

The four colors of Islam: white, red, black, and green. 

Rev. 6:2-8 (NAS)

"I looked, and behold, a white horse, and the one who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

When He broke the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come!” And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that people would kill one another; and a large sword was given to him.

When He broke the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, “Come!” I looked, and behold, a black horse, and the one who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. And I heard something like a voice in the center of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not damage the oil and the wine.”

When the Lamb broke the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come!” I looked, and behold, an ashen (GREEN) horse; and the one who sat on it had the name Death, and Hades was following with him."

[Luther]

8 hours ago, Daniel whalen said:

All said and done with Jesus said "He did not bring peace but a sword"

It is clear cut Jesus was not a pacific 

Christian's say they don't support war are hiding behind religion and don't follow Jesus not matter what they say 

PERIOD!

Ok. You are entitled to your belief. However, in order to have discourse we want to go to the Bible. I'm interested in understanding your scriptural support. What do you have...

[Luther]

7 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, @Luther.

One shouldn't have a limited view of our Master Yeeshuwa` the Anointed One of GOD. He didn't JUST teach "love, compassion and forgiveness." He also showed through His actions that JUSTICE and RIGHTOUSNESS were paramount! He OVERTURNED the tables of the merchants in the Temple (no small feat!), and He CHASED them from the premises with a whip!

Read His parable in Luke 19 all the way to the end! It's like a parable within a parable, when compared to the other Gospel accounts; so, don't stop too early.

Luke 19:11-27 (KJV)

11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore,

"A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them,

"'Occupy (Trade with this) till I come.'

14 "But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying,

"'We will not have THIS [man] to reign over us!'

15 "And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying,

"'Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.'

17 "And he said unto him,

"'Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.'

18 "And the second came, saying,

"'Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.'

19 "And he said likewise to him,

"'Be thou also over five cities.'

20 "And another came, saying,

"'Lord, behold, [here is] thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: 21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.'

22 "And he saith unto him,

"'Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, [thou] wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was "an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow": 23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury (interest)?'

24 "And he said unto them that stood by,

"'Take from him the pound, and give [it] to him that hath ten pounds.'

25 "(And they said unto him,

"'Lord, he hath ten pounds [already]!')

26 "'For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and SLAY [them] before me!' "

Does that sound like "love, compassion and forgiveness"? But, THAT is our KING when He comes!

He's not going to come as some "weakling king," a push-over! He will come ready to purge His land of the foreigners and conquer all of His foes!

Certainly judgment day is a different matter altogether. ( God forbid we should even allude to the Lord Jesus Christ as being weak.) When have I ever suggested that? My point is Jesus is seeing everything going on and is judging every thought and action according to His Word ( or law). We are NEVER told to be bloodthirsty warriors for Him. 

Matthew 5:5 KJV

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

[Luther]

7 hours ago, George said:

That was in the past, historically, when NOBODY WAS living in the land!

What is this supposed to mean? Are you really suggesting that a small number of Christians killed in this 23 year old war on terror is justified? Acceptable ? I don't understand your perception of life, not just Christian life, but life. 

[George]

1 hour ago, Luther said:

What is this supposed to mean? Are you really suggesting that a small number of Christians killed in this 23 year old war on terror is justified? Acceptable ? I don't understand your perception of life, not just Christian life, but life. 

I'm fighting for salvation and revival in the entire Middle East!  What you are not comprehending is that this is a spiritual war, and it's the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob against the demonic forces of darkness that are hell-bent on sending the entire region to hell!   God is USING ISRAEL to free Gaza from Hamas.  God is USING ISRAEL to free Lebanon from Hezbollah.  God is USING ISRAEL to free Iran from the Ayatollahs. 

And you are siding with the terrorists that have ONE GOAL ... to destroy the entire nation of Israel.  They are not interested in peace, and they are interested in fulfilling the goals of their god!  Whatever God loves...Satan hates!  That's the crux of the matter!

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, Luther said:

Certainly judgment day is a different matter altogether. ( God forbid we should even allude to the Lord Jesus Christ as being weak.) When have I ever suggested that? My point is Jesus is seeing everything going on and is judging every thought and action according to His Word ( or law). We are NEVER told to be bloodthirsty warriors for Him. 

Matthew 5:5 KJV

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Shalom, @Luther.

Yeeshuwa` was quoting Psalm 37:11. Learn what it means to be "meek," as Mosheh ("Moses") was. He was humble BEFORE GOD! All the same, he stood up to the nonsense of Korah and his companions. Listen to what he told them. First, the background:

Numbers 16:1-35 (KJV)

1 Now Korah, the son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, and Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab, and On, the son of Peleth, sons of Reuben, took [men]: 2 And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty (250) princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown: 3 And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them,

"[Ye take] too much upon you, seeing all the congregation [are] holy, every one of them, and the LORD [is] among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?"

4 And when Moses heard [it], he fell upon his face: 5 And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying,

"Even to morrow the LORD will shew who [are] his, and [who is] holy; and will cause [him] to come near unto him: even [him] whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him. 6 This do; Take you censers, Korah, and all his company; 7 And put fire therein, and put incense in them before the LORD to morrow: and it shall be [that] the man whom the LORD doth choose, he [shall be] holy: [ye take] too much upon you, ye sons of Levi."

8 And Moses said unto Korah,

"Hear, I pray you, ye sons of Levi: 9 [Seemeth it but] a small thing unto you, that the God of Israel hath separated you from the congregation of Israel, to bring you near to himself to do the service of the tabernacle of the LORD, and to stand before the congregation to minister unto them? 10 And he hath brought thee near [to him], and all thy brethren the sons of Levi with thee: and seek ye the priesthood also? 11 For which cause [both] thou and all thy company [are] gathered together against the LORD: and what [is] Aaron, that ye murmur against him?"

12 And Moses sent to call Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab: which said,

"We will not come up: 13 [Is it] a small thing that thou hast brought us up out of a land that floweth with milk and honey, to kill us in the wilderness, except thou make thyself altogether a prince over us? 14 Moreover thou hast not brought us into a land that floweth with milk and honey, or given us inheritance of fields and vineyards: wilt thou put out the eyes of these men? we will not come up."

15 And Moses was very wroth, and said unto the LORD,

"Respect not thou their offering: I have not taken one ass from them, neither have I hurt one of them!"

16 And Moses said unto Korah,

"Be thou and all thy company before the LORD, thou, and they, and Aaron, to morrow: 17 And take every man his censer, and put incense in them, and bring ye before the LORD every man his censer, two hundred and fifty (250) censers; thou also, and Aaron, each [of you] his censer."

18 And they took every man his censer, and put fire in them, and laid incense thereon, and stood in the door of the tabernacle of the congregation with Moses and Aaron. 19 And Korah gathered all the congregation against them unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto all the congregation. 20 And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,

21 "Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment!"

22 And they fell upon their faces, and said,

"O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?"

23 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

24 "Speak unto the congregation, saying, 'Get you up from about the tabernacle (tent) of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram.'"

25 And Moses rose up and went unto Dathan and Abiram; and the elders of Israel followed him. 26 And he spake unto the congregation, saying,

"Depart, I pray you, from the tents of these wicked men, and touch nothing of theirs, lest ye be consumed in all their sins!"

27 So they gat up from the tabernacle of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram, on every side: and Dathan and Abiram came out, and stood in the door of their tents, and their wives, and their sons, and their little children. 28 And Moses said,

"Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works; for [I have] not [done them] of mine own mind. 29 If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; [then] the LORD hath not sent me. 30 But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that [appertain] unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD!"

31 And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that [was] under them: 32 And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that [appertained] unto Korah, and all [their] goods. 33 They, and all that [appertained] to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. 34 And all Israel that [were] round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said,

"Lest the earth swallow us up [also]!"

35 And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty (250) men that offered incense.

This is what a "meek" person is.

 

[Retrobyter]

4 hours ago, Luther said:

Certainly judgment day is a different matter altogether. ( God forbid we should even allude to the Lord Jesus Christ as being weak.) When have I ever suggested that? My point is Jesus is seeing everything going on and is judging every thought and action according to His Word ( or law). We are NEVER told to be bloodthirsty warriors for Him. 

Matthew 5:5 KJV

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Shalom, again, @Luther.

Oh, and we ARE expected to accompany Him in battle! Consider Revelation 19 and this will be AFTER we are resurrected and arrive with the Messiah of God, Anointed to be King:

Revelation 19:6-21 (KJV)

6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, 

"Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready."

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me,

"Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb!"

And he saith unto me,

"These are the true sayings of God."

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me,

"See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the ARMIES [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven,

"Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all [men, both] free and bond, both small and great!"

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Haven't you ever read Isaiah 63:1-6?

Isaiah 63:1-6 (KJV)

1 "Who [is] this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this [that is] glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength?"

"I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save."

2 "Wherefore [art thou] red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?"

3 "I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people [there was] none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. 4 For the day of vengeance [is] in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. 5 And I looked, and [there was] none to help; and I wondered that [there was] none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me. 6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth!"

We're supposed to be accompanying Him in battle on the day of vengeance, but where will we be? Where are we in this prophecy? We'll probably be in the "mop-up crew." Call it the "Red Cross" or rather, the "Magen David Adom," but our part will probably be in aiding those who are injured from the invasion of His Land! 

And, one more thing: There will be MANY MORE than ONE "Judgment Day!" By my calculations, that will be more like 365,243 days! It is the JOB of an Israeli King to be the SUPREME COURT JUDGE, just as David and Shlomoh ("Solomon") were! He will be judging matters within His Kingdom THROUGHOUT the THOUSAND YEARS up to the Great White Throne Judgment. Even afterward, we read in Revelation 22:

Revelation 22:1-5 (KJV)

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB (YEESHUWA`). 2 In the midst of the street of it (the New Jerusalem), and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB shall be in it; and HIS SERVANTS shall serve him: 4 And THEY shall see his face; and his name [shall be] in THEIR foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and THEY need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth THEM light: and THEY SHALL REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER.

Edited April 22 by Retrobyter
to change one word

[Dennis1209]

6 hours ago, George said:

God is USING ISRAEL to free Iran from the Ayatollahs. 

Based on my quote and current geopolitical events, I’d like to hear your perspective on Jeremiah’s and Isaiah’s prophecy below. I cannot find any historical evidence that this prophecy has been fulfilled, and it is still in the future.

Jeremiah 49:34-38 (KJV) The word of the LORD that came to Jeremiah the prophet against Elam in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, saying, ³⁵ Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might. ³⁶ And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come. ³⁷ For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them: ³⁸ And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the LORD.

Isaiah 19:23-25 (KJV) In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians. ²⁴ In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land: ²⁵ Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

Rather than proposing my thoughts and interpretation as I see it forming, I’d like to hear yours. By all accounts, I have read from people and organizations getting the Gospel into Iran, many are having dreams and visions, under threat of death, converting to Christianity.

[Daniel whalen]

10 hours ago, Luther said:

What is this supposed to mean? Are you really suggesting that a small number of Christians killed in this 23 year old war on terror is justified? Acceptable ? I don't understand your perception of life, not just Christian life, but life. 

The Quran is the Muslims guide to live by and it says to kill everyone that is not Islamic (Christian, Jew, Buddhist, and Hindi) on destroy them 

Make them convert to islam or die 

It is NOT a religion of peace it is of Satan and totally evil 

Hamas believes it and will not stop until the world is destroy or converted and followed Sharia law 

If as you say "I'm a born again Christian" then you support God 

If you support Hamas you support Satan 

Plan and simple