The Book Of Enoch?

[Edward429451]

4 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Heh, you're not in "trouble" nor under review, my friend. Videos that are posted to the appropriate forum are hidden while they are reviewed by staff. 

Oh so that's why Dep can't see it yet. Ok, maybe it will be viewable by tomorrow, who knows? They might even be busy? I think I'm good though, it is in the video forum now. I'll catch on eventually, lol. 

[Orion]

13 minutes ago, Edward429451 said:

Based on what exactly? I'm willing to be convinced if I am wrong, but...convince me. I think you have Enoch #1 mixed up with Jared's son, Enoch #2 

Have you ever read any in the book of Enoch?

Have you studied Genesis 5, the genealogy of Adam?   It goes like this. 

Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahaleel, Jared, ENOCH, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah. 

ENOCH lived 365 (987 years from Adam) years and walked with God and he was not; for God took him. 

Noah was born 1,056 years after Adam, which is 69 years after God took ENOCH. 

I suggest you study God's word (the Bible) before you convince yourself that a non-canonical writing (book of Enoch) is as good as scripture. 

[Edward429451]

8 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Heh, you're not in "trouble" nor under review, my friend. Videos that are posted to the appropriate forum are hidden while they are reviewed by staff. 

I suppose this is a good time to confess having never read the terms of service. When I first went online I might have but since then, I've been to a half dozen Christian sites and I have learned that, as long as I watch my mouth  I can still talk without making people mad. I'm learning how to speak Diplomat you might say. And It's working for me. No reason for a sharp tongue even when the weirdo's are going off. That's them. The Lord has never spoken condemnation to me in scripture or IRL. So since I am to be emulating Jesus, I've seen the wisdom in guarding my tongue. Just like scripture says to do. It's getting harder and harder for them to get a rise out of me. 

[Marathoner]

@Orion is correct with regard to Enoch's identity. Jude's epistle specifies Enoch, of the seventh generation from Adam; this is the same Enoch whom God took (Genesis 5:24). 

[Orion]

31 minutes ago, Edward429451 said:

But I am talking about Enoch #1...are you absolutely sure that you havent mistaken Enoch #2 for Enoch #1?

Are there biblical scholars, or any scholarly work, that suggest that the books of Enoch were written by Cain's son Enoch?  If you can point to just one scholarly work that argues for the position you're taking, namely: that Cain's son, Enoch, is the author of any of the books of Enoch, I'll be happy to examine it. 

[Edward429451]

5 minutes ago, Orion said:

I suggest you study God's word (the Bible) before you convince yourself that a non-canonical writing (book of Enoch) is as good as scripture. 

You got me all wrong. I never said Enoch was canonical scripture. I said was leaning towards I think it could be true. I said I was not being dogmatic. I said it is not scripture. I said, don't treat Enoch like scripture. Did I not? 

You're making a fairly good case for Enoch can not be true. My feelings were, Enoch used to be scripture before they took it out of modern bibles. Our Scriptures quote from the book of Enoch...So maybe there is something that we are missing here? Because as it stands right now, I am unconvinced that Enoch isn't true. It might be true, it could be true. Somehow, in your explanation of it can't be true doesn't convince me 100% that Enoch is false. Perhaps if you went into your explanation in greater detail? 

Maybe if our bible didnt quote from Enoch it would help? It did used to be scripture and they quoted from it! That's good for something in terms of consideration. 

 

[Edward429451]

11 minutes ago, Orion said:

Are there biblical scholars, or any scholarly work, that suggest that the books of Enoch were written by Cain's son Enoch?  If you can point to just one scholarly work that argues for the position you're taking, namely: that Cain's son, Enoch, is the author of any of the books of Enoch, I'll be happy to examine it. 

I don't have references from other works besides our Bible as it is and Enoch. I read Enoch and felt like discussing it and get some other perspectives on it from Brothers & Sisters. 

I didn't even really do the math! I just read and think about it and if it fits together? It says right in Enoch that this book is for a distant generation to come, and that could be us, Brother! Of course the enemy would denounce the book, especially if it were true. 

OTOH, it isn't a salvific issue so the whole discussion purely academic. It says think on the good thing of the Kingdom of God and not about the world. So I think it's interesting. 

[Debp]

30 minutes ago, Edward429451 said:

Oh so that's why Dep can't see it yet. Ok, maybe it will be viewable by tomorrow, who knows? They might even be busy? I think I'm good though, it is in the video forum now. I'll catch on eventually, lol. 

Hi, I just checked and there is nothing of your video in the approval queue.   And your initial link in your post one is still leading to an empty post to be filled in.   You should edit that link out.

How long ago did you make the topic in the Video Forum?    If you made it in the video forum, perhaps @Michael37 or @George deleted it since it was about the Book of Enoch?

I also looked for your video in the Video Forum under Biblical topics and General topics....not there either.

 

[Orion]

2 minutes ago, Edward429451 said:

Our Scriptures quote from the book of Enoch...So maybe there is something that we are missing here?

I agree:  Jude :14 cites Enoch prophesying.  And I agree: we are missing something, like, the original, and manuscrupits of the original, of the book of Enoch, if there ever was a book penned by Enoch. 

If Enoch wrote a book, and Noah did not preserve it on the Ark, the book would most probably have been destroyed on the raging flood waters.  

It's also possible that Jude wrote of Enoch not from a separate writing from Enoch, but from oral traditions passed down from one generation to the next.  Noah would have known of these oral traditions or prophesies, since Noah was the great grandson of Enoch, and only 1,056 removed from Adam.  And Noah would have passed on what he knew in the sane oral manner as those that preceded him. 

We must also consider whether the books of Enoch that exist were written by scribes and teachers far removed from Noah, but who learned of Enoch's prophesies through that same oral tradition and felt a need t9 memorialize in writing all that they've heard.  

In any event, the book of Enoch has not been canonized, nor considered deuterocanonical, by those much more knowledgeable than me, so I leave it at that. 

[Michael37]

4 minutes ago, Debp said:

Hi, I just checked and there is nothing of your video in the approval queue.   And your initial link in your post one is still leading to an empty post to be filled in.   You should edit that link out.

How long ago did you make the topic in the Video Forum?    If you made it in the video forum, perhaps @Michael37 or @George deleted it since it was about the Book of Enoch?

I also looked for your video in the Video Forum under Biblical topics and General topics....not there either.

 

There are currently no posts waiting approval, and I checked the content in the profile pages of @Edward429451, and there is no post for the Video Section.