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[LastDaysJames]

17 hours ago, Sower said:

You keep telling us we can access this 'power' from the holy ghost, but you cannot remember how you got it, nor tell me how I can receive it. According to scripture, the word of God.

Simply tell me in your own words, then,  backed up with scripture, what I must actually do to receive the 'filling/power' that you continue to say I need.

Do I have to get re-baptized in some special way? Surely you can tell us about when a new seeker comes to your church to receive this baptism/power/filling how it happens, James. Thanks, Sower...

 

I have told you how to get Him from the scripture - multiple times. Just ask and believe! I got saved at the same time, I don't remember that experience, yet I know I am save.... I may not remember the initial infilling of the Holy Spirit - but I know I am, and I have experienced Acts 2 many times in my life!

[farouk]

15 minutes ago, LastDaysJames said:

I have told you how to get Him from the scripture - multiple times. Just ask and believe! I got saved at the same time, I don't remember that experience, yet I know I am save.... I may not remember the initial infilling of the Holy Spirit - but I know I am, and I have experienced Acts 2 many times in my life!

Prayer and the earnest pursuit of the Scriptures are a true blessing.

[LastDaysJames]

(Luke 11:11 [KJV])
If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

(Luke 11:12 [KJV])
Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

(Luke 11:13 [KJV])
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

 

[Sower]

9 hours ago, LastDaysJames said:

I have told you how to get Him from the scripture - multiple times. Just ask and believe! I got saved at the same time, I don't remember that experience, yet I know I am save.... I may not remember the initial infilling of the Holy Spirit - but I know I am, and I have experienced Acts 2 many times in my life!

You said;  "I have told you how to get Him from the scripture - multiple times"

Yes, you have replied many times, thanks, but didn't answer my specific question. Big difference. It causes me to wonder why. How does it happen in the Pentecostal church. Specifically, what happens. You did not answer this so I got online and typed in "how to receive the filling/baptism/power of the holy ghost in a Pentecostal church?"

What I viewed was a what I would classify as emotional chaos, mostly. Decided not to post the videos. Anyone can google them. I believe that to be filled with the holy spirit there has to be less 'self', for room for the filling of the spirit. Not some special 'touch/push/holler/scream' from the pastor, a band and drums pounding, every body jumping and falling down, to initiate this filling.  Had hoped you could explain this, but I see why you didn't.....

        "For God is not the author of confusion!"....1 Corinthians 14:33

Thanks again, James. (I got my answer)
 

 

7 hours ago, LastDaysJames said:

 

(Luke 11:13 [KJV])
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

 

Yes, simply ask, and believe.  simple!!
 

[LastDaysJames]

You can't go by what you read on line; that can create confusion - Being filled with the Holy Spirit has NOTHING to do with jumping or chaos, or screaming. I feel like that was the kind of answer you were looking for. Being filled with the Holy Spirit, like salvation has nothing to do with feelings at all; even tho many report having them.

You got it with the last line you said! It is a matter of faith! Being filled with the Holy Spirit IS power - but you don't need to FEEL that power, just know you have them!

I hesitate to mention this, because this will cause a whole new set of arguments... (and I don't want to get into it here - start a new topic if you wish to talk about it) But if you are truly interested is being filled with the Holy Spirit, you need to know this.

The very first, and powerful, manifestation of being filled with the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues. The heavenly language that allows your spirit to speak directly to God through His Spirit with out your brain getting in the way. You are speaking the mysteries of God  , and building your own faith.

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, LastDaysJames said:

You can't go by what you read on line; that can create confusion - Being filled with the Holy Spirit has NOTHING to do with jumping or chaos, or screaming. I feel like that was the kind of answer you were looking for. Being filled with the Holy Spirit, like salvation has nothing to do with feelings at all; even tho many report having them.

You got it with the last line you said! It is a matter of faith! Being filled with the Holy Spirit IS power - but you don't need to FEEL that power, just know you have them!

I hesitate to mention this, because this will cause a whole new set of arguments... (and I don't want to get into it here - start a new topic if you wish to talk about it) But if you are truly interested is being filled with the Holy Spirit, you need to know this.

The very first, and powerful, manifestation of being filled with the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues. The heavenly language that allows your spirit to speak directly to God through His Spirit with out your brain getting in the way. You are speaking the mysteries of God  , and building your own faith.

This happens while Peter was yet speaking. The Holy Spirit fell on unbaptized  uncircumcised Romans and other nations people who were gathered in Cornelius house. 

There were new believers and Peter did not say anything about the Holy Spirit. They did not ask. 

Jesus Christ did it on his own and He must have plans for them. Evangelist, Disciples, Apostles, Prophets is  from acts 10:44 and Peter and some of the deacons were with him. And they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. 

   Acts 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. 

Edited May 16 by Your closest friendnt

[LastDaysJames]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

   Acts 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. 

True, now we know that the Bible does not record everything said and/or done; we also know from scripture the faith comes from hearing the Word of God; we also know that God is moved by faith.

Put that all together; and I strongly believe that Peter must have been speaking about the infilling of the Holy Spirit somewhere in his message, it built an atmosphere of faith - and it was through there faith in the infilling of the Holy Spirit that He came upon them.

[Your closest friendnt]

10 hours ago, LastDaysJames said:

True, now we know that the Bible does not record everything said and/or done; we also know from scripture the faith comes from hearing the Word of God; we also know that God is moved by faith.  

 

10 hours ago, LastDaysJames said:

Put that all together; and I strongly believe that Peter must have been speaking about the infilling of the Holy Spirit somewhere in his message, it built an atmosphere of faith - and it was through there faith in the infilling of the Holy Spirit that He came upon them.

In Acts ten we have Peter's words, from the time he enter the house of Cornelius till the time when Jesus baptized them with the Holy Spirit and till that time Peter had said nothing about the Holy Spirit. 

Peter's words are written down and there is nothing in them to Justified your wishful thinking that Jesus needed the words of Peter for faith to be built in the people if not Jesus could not baptized them with the Holy Spirit. Peter said they were baptized by the same Spirit as we were baptized on the day of Pentecost. 

They were unbaptized and they had only believed and Jesus did something of his own to teach Peter and everyone a lesson. 

That Jesus can baptized believers with the Holy Goast who are not baptized in water. 

Nothing can stopped him or the water or the water baptism cannot stopped him. To require someone to be water baptized first before he seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit is not correct.  

Paul was teaching the same thing and he did not baptized people with water. 

To believe in Jesus Christ that's the only prerequisite for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. 

[LastDaysJames]

I understand, what you are saying; but again for all we know he could have been talking with them (and probably was) for hours, the Bible only records portions of what is said.

This can not be properly discussed, because we were not there. So to quote another preacher..... I can't prove I am right, you can't prove I am wrong, so I choose to believe what I believe.

This I do know.... that Holy Spirit will not fill someone who does not want Him, nor believe in Him. They have to want Him, and in order to want Him you MUST have heard about Him from somewhere, Pete most likely talked about Him, but even if he didn't Cornelius had to have heard about the Holy Spirit from somewhere, and desired Him!

[Your closest friendnt]

6 hours ago, LastDaysJames said:

I understand, what you are saying; but again for all we know he could have been talking with them (and probably was) for hours, the Bible only records portions of what is said.

This can not be properly discussed, because we were not there. So to quote another preacher..... I can't prove I am right, you can't prove I am wrong, so I choose to believe what I believe.

This I do know.... that Holy Spirit will not fill someone who does not want Him, nor believe in Him. They have to want Him, and in order to want Him you MUST have heard about Him from somewhere, Pete most likely talked about Him, but even if he didn't Cornelius had to have heard about the Holy Spirit from somewhere, and desired Him!

@LastDaysJames

It's obvious that you are quided by this belief and it sounds that you are defending what you believe or WHAT YOUR TEACHERS TAUGHT YOU and you choose to honor them by defending what they teach.  

Anyone who does not have this bias in him and does a stait forwards  reading of the passage he will tell you that Peter when he started talking to the crowd in the house he SAID I STILL DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME and he started speaking to them about the events in Jerusalem and when he said:

Acts 42-45      it's about Jesus telling the disciples how to preach the Gospel to all people.

42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.

 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.

 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles.

Edited May 17 by Your closest friendnt