Jesus is YHVH

[JohnD]

Matthew 11:27 (KJV)

27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; 

neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Jesus made the statement that no one knows the Father except the Son.

And no one knows the Son except the Father. Making the identity of the Father

as much a mystery to mankind as the incarnation.

At this point, man had been interacting with YHVH (the LORD) for some 4,000 years. And the Jews

in particular knew him as YHVH at least since the burning bush account (Exodus 3:13-15). If the Father

is YHVH, how can Jesus even make such a statement?

One might guess, well he meant it that "you don't know the Father like I do..."

But Jesus made the point to identify himself as YHVH in John 8:58 (hearkening back to Exodus 3:13-15) to

which the Jews in company reviled him because they did not believe him and tried to execute him for what

they perceived of as blasphemy (John 8:59).

Further, when you take Isaiah 44:24 which clearly states that YHVH our redeemer YHVH is the Creator of all things

created in the beginning which he did "alone / by myself." And John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, and Hebrews 1:2 all identify

that Lone Creator as the preincarnate Jesus. Jesus is Jehovah / Yahweh / the LORD / YHVH.

[JohnD]

The Father and the Holy Spirit were present (obviously) at the point of creation (John 1:1-2, 1 John 1:1-2, Genesis 1:1-2)

but the preincarnate Jesus acted alone in creating all things created.

The Father later created the body of Jesus (John 1:14, Hebrews 10:5, Hebrews 1:5) distinguishing him from the Adamic race we

belong to (and explaining how Jesus never had the sin nature the rest of us are all born with). So the virgin Mary was the gestational

surrogate of the Christ child. And under the Law his birth made him the {legal} heir of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David...

But Jesus Christ is not only unique in all eternity in that he is both God and man and no one else is, but he is also his own human race

(1 Corinthians 15:45 the last "adam" = human prototype) population: Jesus.

And he laid that entire human race down to save our human race (children of the first Adam).

[Frits]

On 5/11/2025 at 4:17 PM, JohnD said:

Matthew 11:27 (KJV)

27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; 

neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Jesus made the statement that no one knows the Father except the Son.

And no one knows the Son except the Father. Making the identity of the Father

as much a mystery to mankind as the incarnation.

At this point, man had been interacting with YHVH (the LORD) for some 4,000 years. And the Jews

in particular knew him as YHVH at least since the burning bush account (Exodus 3:13-15). If the Father

is YHVH, how can Jesus even make such a statement?

One might guess, well he meant it that "you don't know the Father like I do..."

But Jesus made the point to identify himself as YHVH in John 8:58 (hearkening back to Exodus 3:13-15) to

which the Jews in company reviled him because they did not believe him and tried to execute him for what

they perceived of as blasphemy (John 8:59).

Further, when you take Isaiah 44:24 which clearly states that YHVH our redeemer YHVH is the Creator of all things

created in the beginning which he did "alone / by myself." And John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, and Hebrews 1:2 all identify

that Lone Creator as the preincarnate Jesus. Jesus is Jehovah / Yahweh / the LORD / YHVH.

The Holy God came from heaven in the flesh, He Himself became Man, to bear the sins of men in His own flesh on the cross of Golgotha, to take away our guilt of sin, so that whoever believes that He is God and worships Him as Savior, will receive eternal life.

[Frits]

On 5/11/2025 at 4:23 PM, JohnD said:

The Father later created the body of Jesus (John 1:14, Hebrews 10:5, Hebrews 1:5) distinguishing him from the Adamic race

Brother @JohnD,

In John 1:18 the apostle uses the word "begotten" (G1096).

The Lord Jesus Christ is "the only begotten God". (Peshitta, Codex Sinaiticus)

The body of the Lord Jesus Christ was not created like that of Adam, but He is the Holy One, the only One who is Holy by birth from the Most High Himself.

Not the creature is God, but the Creator is God.

[other one]

Jesus: The Visible God of the Old Testament and the Conduit of the Father
The Bible presents a fascinating distinction between the Father and the divine figure who interacted with humanity in the Old Testament. Consider Exodus 24:9-11, where Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, and seventy elders of Israel ascend and see the God of Israel: "Under His feet was something like a pavement of sapphire stone, clear as the sky itself. And He did not lay His hand on the nobles of Israel; they saw God, and they ate and drank" (KJV, adapted). This is a remarkable encounter—direct, tangible, and unharmed.
Yet, Jesus complicates this picture in John 6:44-46: "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him... Not that any man has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father" (KJV, adapted). If no one has seen the Father except Jesus, who did Moses and the elders see? This suggests the "God of Israel" they encountered wasn’t the Father but another divine figure—one I believe to be Jesus Himself in His pre-incarnate form.
The Word from the Beginning
John 1:1-10 lays the foundation: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made" (KJV, adapted). This Word, who "became flesh" (John 1:14), is Jesus—existing with the Father from eternity, co-creator of all things, and the light shining into the darkness. The Old Testament saints didn’t know the Father directly; they interfaced with the Word, Jesus, who revealed God to them in a form they could grasp.
Jesus affirms this in John 8:56-58, responding to the Jews: "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day; he saw it and was glad... Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (KJV, adapted). Here, Jesus claims the divine name "I AM" (Exodus 3:14), linking Himself to the God who appeared to Abraham and others. The Israelites saw and knew God through Him—not the Father in His unapproachable essence, but the Word who mediated divine presence.
The Humble Servant of the Father
Philippians 2:5-11 deepens this: "Christ Jesus, being in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness" (KJV, adapted). As the Word, Jesus was deity—yet He didn’t cling to equality with the Father. Instead, He humbled Himself, first as the divine agent in the Old Testament, then as a man, always serving the Father’s will. The Father worked through Him to manifest Himself to humanity, whether as the God of Israel or the crucified Savior.
In John 14:10-11, Jesus explains this unity: "The words I speak to you I do not speak on My own; the Father who dwells in Me does the works" (KJV, adapted). Even in flesh, Jesus remains the conduit of the Father’s power and purpose—a role unchanged from eternity.
Extending the Conduit to Us
This relationship extends beyond Jesus to us. In John 17:20-23, He prays: "I pray... for those who will believe in Me... that they may all be one, just as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us" (KJV, adapted). Through His sacrifice and intercession, Jesus sends the Holy Spirit, connecting us to the Father. As 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 reveals, Jesus reigns until all enemies are subdued, then hands the kingdom to the Father, remaining subject to Him (KJV, adapted). He’s not eternally co-equal in authority but the faithful Son fulfilling the Father’s plan.
One God, Three Persons, One Purpose
1 Corinthians 8:4-6 ties it together: "There is no God but one... For us, there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist" (KJV, adapted). The Father is the source, Jesus the means, and the Holy Spirit the presence indwelling us. You can’t have one without the others—they are distinct yet inseparable, united in thought, purpose, and action.
Redefining "God"
Our confusion stems from the word "god." In Hebrew and Greek, it denotes anything worshipped or wielding control—pagan deities, nature, money, even ourselves. The original texts lack capitalization distinctions; translators capitalize "God" for the Trinity. But for us, "God" is the Father, Son, and Spirit—three entities so intertwined they are one. It’s not a mystery or miracle; it’s a misunderstanding of a word. They operate as one because their will is one, and through Jesus’ work, we’re invited into that unity.

 

[lrs68]

Amen, Yeshua is I AM, ELOHIM, and YHVH [which in Hebrew is MOST HIGH GOD or LORD] all found in the Torah in Exodus chapters 3 and 6.

[Frits]

2 hours ago, other one said:

One God, Three Persons, One Purpose
1 Corinthians 8:4-6 ties it together: "There is no God but one.

Thank you brothers @other one and @lrs68 , for your good contribution, I agree with you.

For my understanding I have written it as follows:

God is one, one Person with three characteristics: a) That Person has a Spirit, b) that Person has a body, and c) He has a Name.

These three characteristics always describe the same Person: Jesus Christ.

The Spirit of the Lord Jesus is Holy, that is the Holy Spirit.

The body of the Lord Jesus is God's body, because God bought the Church with His blood, His blood that flowed on the cross of Golgotha. (Acts 20:28)

And God has a Name.

Very special, the names Jehovah, JHWH, or Jaweh, are nowhere in the Bible. They are always the product of transliteration, in an attempt to translate the Hebrew יהוה. For Jewish scholars and linguists it has been established for centuries that יהוה is simply not translatable, hence all these names are to some extent based on guesswork and assumption.

However, when the Lord Jesus Christ was born all ambiguity came to an end, because Mary had to give Him the Name JESUS. Jesus Christ is very clear and the Personal Name of God.

(1 John 5:20)

Edited May 14 by Frits

[other one]

1 hour ago, Frits said:

God is one, one Person with three characteristics: a) That Person has a Spirit, b) that Person has a body, and c) He has a Name.

Don't forget that Jesus told us to be one with him as he is with the father. Also we are told that we are made in the image of God, and that word translated God is plural.  Just because s9methingcan exist in the spirit world doesn't mean it has no body.

[Frits]

8 hours ago, other one said:

Don't forget that Jesus told us to be one with him as he is with the father.

When we read John 17:21 the preposition "with" is missing. It says:

'That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.' (Joh.17:21)

This agrees with Deut.6:4

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD"

The Lord our God is only truth (the lie is absent!), He is only light (the darkness is absent!), He is only Holy (the unholy is absent!). And that is what He asks of us. (Lev.20:7)

[Frits]

8 hours ago, other one said:

Also we are told that we are made in the image of God, and that word translated God is plural.

Br. @other one, This is not entirely clear to me, do you mean to say that Adam was created by "gods"?