Visions of Devastation

[RGR]

I believe a day is coming not far from now, how long I do not know, when we may have our Bibles taken away from us.

Sue, I'm afraid you are all too correct. I remember as a child in the early 80's our pastor talking about what were you going to do when they knocked on the door and asked for your Bible. I remember thinking "this is the United States. This will never happen in my lifetime!" Now I'm seeing how correct she truly was as the ACLU and their ilk push to remove every vestige of Christianity from this once Christian nation. If it gives you any hope, and I don't know if you're pre or post trib, this lady who said this has also said that she feels she will be alive at the time of the rapture; she doesn't say God told her that specifically, but she's always felt it. She will be 91 next year, so if indeed God allows her to see the rapture, it isn't that far away!

[apothanein kerdos]

In the Bible, when people recieve revelation from the Lord over a specific event, it generally occurs in a one time ordeal. Though some prophets have multiple prophecies over periods of times, each prophecy generally deals with a different event.

In false prophecy, such as Joseph Smith, it's always a "series of visions." This prophecy is a "series of visions."

I had sensed that God was saying to me that something was going to take place on Thanksgiving Day that would open the way for us to go in and take possession of the land, and when nothing happened that day, I prayed about it, asking him to show me what I had missed. He then gave me the verse about a prophet praying for the sun to stand still for a day in order to win a battle, and he indicated to me that he had given me an extra day. The next morning, my brother called me at 9:00 a.m. and his message said,

[felix]

Greetings all.

I would say that Sue was given the ministry of prophecy from God. I am a college student and I experienced the living waters of God in December of 2004. It was then that I actually started to recognize that prophecy is an existing and important function in the body. I finally understood the move of the Lord's Spirit and that the children of God were living in stagnant water...stuck on Christ as eternal redemption and not moving forth in the Lord's move. Prophecy would sort of be like keeping the body up to date.

Sue, I happen to have spoken to another sister who had a similar vision as yours. This was near the end of December. She spoke of places of refuges for the saints. I spoke also concerning this vision for I am studying Civil Engineering and felt that perhaps God led me to this major so as to know the means to build such a refuge. Were you perhaps this sister?

Dreams and visions should not be shunned altogether rather discerned. It is important that we do not "despise prophecy" but prove and discern them as the bible so instructs.

Edited December 15, 2005 by felix

[felix]

In the Bible, when people recieve revelation from the Lord over a specific event, it generally occurs in a one time ordeal. Though some prophets have multiple prophecies over periods of times, each prophecy generally deals with a different event.

In false prophecy, such as Joseph Smith, it's always a "series of visions." This prophecy is a "series of visions."

I had sensed that God was saying to me that something was going to take place on Thanksgiving Day that would open the way for us to go in and take possession of the land, and when nothing happened that day, I prayed about it, asking him to show me what I had missed. He then gave me the verse about a prophet praying for the sun to stand still for a day in order to win a battle, and he indicated to me that he had given me an extra day. The next morning, my brother called me at 9:00 a.m. and his message said,

[Gerioke]

In the Bible, when people recieve revelation from the Lord over a specific event, it generally occurs in a one time ordeal. Though some prophets have multiple prophecies over periods of times, each prophecy generally deals with a different event.

In false prophecy, such as Joseph Smith, it's always a "series of visions." This prophecy is a "series of visions."

I had sensed that God was saying to me that something was going to take place on Thanksgiving Day that would open the way for us to go in and take possession of the land, and when nothing happened that day, I prayed about it, asking him to show me what I had missed. He then gave me the verse about a prophet praying for the sun to stand still for a day in order to win a battle, and he indicated to me that he had given me an extra day. The next morning, my brother called me at 9:00 a.m. and his message said, "Happy Thanksgiving."

Later we learn that God actually intends this to occur two years later, in 2006.

I doubt modern prophecies so much that when I see an inconsistancy I see absolutely no reason to believe the entire prophecy.

There is literally no point in God giving visions telling us, "Ooooo, it's close! Better start working!" It says He returns like a theif in the night (as the OP states). This means there is no warning prior to His return. Why is this? Because it shouldn't take a prophecy to motivate us to to preach the Gospel or live our Christian duty. Likewise, if He keeps saying, "I'm about to pour out my judgement" then He certainly isn't comming like a thief.

So what's this about then?

Acts:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

[Christ's Free Servant]

There is literally no point in God giving visions telling us, "Ooooo, it's close! Better start working!" It says He returns like a theif in the night (as the OP states). This means there is no warning prior to His return. Why is this? Because it shouldn't take a prophecy to motivate us to to preach the Gospel or live our Christian duty. Likewise, if He keeps saying, "I'm about to pour out my judgement" then He certainly isn't comming like a thief.

When you say there is no warning, you do not know the scriptures, for we are given plenty of signs and wonders as warnings of the nearness of the Lord's return and God expects that we will be able to read the signs and will be watching and waiting expectantly for his return, and he doesn't give us a specific date. He says we will know it is near by the signs. And, he does say that this should motivate us to be self-controlled and alert and living in the light and not in darkness.

[Christ's Free Servant]

I believe a day is coming not far from now, how long I do not know, when we may have our Bibles taken away from us.

Sue, I'm afraid you are all too correct. I remember as a child in the early 80's our pastor talking about what were you going to do when they knocked on the door and asked for your Bible. I remember thinking "this is the United States. This will never happen in my lifetime!" Now I'm seeing how correct she truly was as the ACLU and their ilk push to remove every vestige of Christianity from this once Christian nation. If it gives you any hope, and I don't know if you're pre or post trib, this lady who said this has also said that she feels she will be alive at the time of the rapture; she doesn't say God told her that specifically, but she's always felt it. She will be 91 next year, so if indeed God allows her to see the rapture, it isn't that far away!

Thank you, Ronald, for those words. Yes, I believe the coming of our Lord is not far away, too. I believe that I may be called upon to suffer for Christ during the seven years of tribulation, but it would be ok by me if the pre-trib rapture people were right and I was wrong. My take has always been that it is better to be prepared for the worst and then if you are wrong, great! But, if you feel certain that the rapture will take place pre-trib and you are wrong, will that not shake one's faith? I'd rather err on the side of post-trib, but I have no qualms either way. I know God has it all figured out and whatever he chooses is fine with me. No suffering would most certainly be preferred, but then we have always been promised that we will be called upon to share in the fellowship of his sufferings and that we should rejoice when we are persecuted for righteousness sake.

I know what you mean about our religious liberties being stripped away from us. My husband and I have had a ministry to college-age adults these past seven years out of our home. Over a year ago we felt God was leading us to expand the ministry into a church, so we became a church planting couple much like Priscilla & Aquila in the NT book of Acts. The Lord saw fit that my husband should lose his job, take a major cut in pay, have to sell our house and for us to move into an apartment that had a club house. We asked if we could rent the club house weekly, and since hardly anyone was renting it and the calendar was pretty open they saw no reason why we could not rent it, so they said "yes." So, that's where we have been meeting since September of this year. Beginning the end of November I began to inquire about next year's calendar, but they kept giving me the run around. I had a feeling they were trying to brush me off, but I kept asking until they said "no." They finally told my husband a couple of days ago that beginning next year we can no longer use the club house for our meetings claiming there was some kind of problem with us using it weekly, but I saw last year's calendar and every Sunday was available. They finally admitted they did not want residents holding regular religious meetings in the club house, so our young church is without a home at present.

The apartment complex has a rule about solicitation and we knew that, but we wanted to give our neighbors a gift for Christmas and we wanted to invite them to a Christmas celebration at the club house this Sunday so we spent $750 on gift bags for 500 apartments and were in the process of distributing them when I received a phone call from the office telling us we had to take them all down because we were "soliciting." Soliciting does not mean giving gifts or inviting someone to an event. It means begging money or some favor or gratification from someone, which we were not doing. I fell and twisted my foot while distributing the bags so I was neither able to complete the distribution nor could I retrieve the bags but I did have a couple of helpers who I asked to begin retrieving the bags when my husband called. He told me that what we had done was not solicitation and they had no right to ask us to take them down, so he told the girls to stop and wait until he could talk to the people in the office, but he had to first take me to the doctor and then to the hospital for x-rays and by the time we returned all the bags had been taken down by the apartment maintenance. We were able to recover some of them, but we believe they threw out a bunch, though we can't prove it. But, we were planting seed and we believe God will grow that seed and will bless our efforts.

So, I am freshly feeling the effects of religious persecution and know that it is only going to get worse. America is not the America I knew. It has really changed and the only way it will come to its knees, I believe, is through a shaking of God.

[Gerioke]

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[Christ's Free Servant]

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[2nd2n1roc]

Gee. how convinient. You gave your prophecy AFTER the events occured.

Did you know that in June of 1999 I had a prophecy that George W. Bush would be president, that on September 11, 2001 terrorists would bomb the WTC, that we would go to war with Iraq, and that Bush would be re-elected?

Sarcasm is not a virtue.

I feel that it is a virtue, if you're a Jew, talking to another Jew, about Jesus Christ.

Ask any Jew to tell you about JC, and you will feel sarcasm ( if you love your neighbor, as you love yourself ) as a sense of humor with total lack of love.

We must love Jews, we don't have a choice.

Or maybe this is just me.