Religious pluracy

[Guest Happy]

As far as the United States goes, when the founding fathers discussed religion they were talking about Christianity.  The differences they were wanting to allow was denominations within the realms of Christianity.  Any time a "religion" other than Christianity was referred to it was called a false religion.

We would serve each other well to read the writings of these men(even the deist Jefferson), rather than rely on some politically correct liberal's interpretation of their words.

Is this true:

First, a few quotes from America's founding Fathers:

"The United States is in no sense founded upon Christian docrtrine" G. Washington

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature" . Thomas Jefferson

"It does me not injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or not god. Neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." Thomas Jefferson

"The bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion" A. Lincoln

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any other church that I know of. My own mind is my own church." Thomas Paine

Quotes as listed in Salvation for Sale, by Gerard Thomas

Second, a few about religion and the US government.

"The principal framers of the American political system wanted no religious parties in national politics. They crafted a constitutional order that intended to make a person's religious convictions, or his lack of religious convictions, irrelevant in judging the value of his political opinion or in assessing his qualifications to hold politicaloffice." Isaac Kramnick and R. Laurence Moore, The Godless Constitution: The Case Against Religious Correctness (New York: W.W. Norton, 1996), p. 23.

"So succesful were the drafters of the Constitution in defining government in secular terms that one of the most powerful criticisms of the Constitution when ratified and for succeeding decades was that it was indifferent to Christianity and God. It was denounced by many as a godless document, which is precisely what it is." Isaac Kramnick and R. Laurence Moore, The Godless Constitution: The Case Against Religious Correctness (New York: W.W. Norton, 1996), p. 23.

http://www.rapunzellstower.com/Pagan/truefathers.php

[Catsmeow]

I think someone just fabricated those "quotes" ...I believe they are outright lies...period.

There's been a ton of documentation to the contrary and you are quoting a pagan website. Is it any wonder they come up with blatant lies...?

After all, most people will not challenge what they hear...they just assume if someone puts something in a quote, they must be telling the truth.

But people who are godless are ruled by their own dictates. They have no fear of God and have no grasp of the consequences of their actions.

They don't even blink at telling blatant lies.

No, the founding fathers were not heathens or non-Christians but wherever you find wheat, the weeds are sure to appear. They are sown by Satan and their purpose is to choke off the truth.

You can choose to turn to pagan websites and who knows what you'll hear...I wouldn't trust anything they supposedly "quote"...

People can always lie and fabricate...and in fact, they can tell a very big lie and people are more prone to believe a big lie than a small one. Go figure.

I prefer the truth...found in God's Word.

One more point:

The quotes of Jefferson are not given in context. Without the full context, you can't make a complete interpretation, (if, in fact...the quote is authentic)

The quote by Washington is garbage. Pure and simple. Washington was a totally committed Christian.

[Catsmeow]

We live in an age of Tabloid - it's Jerry Springer everywhere you turn, (especially on the internet).

I was watching Dr. Phil, ( I really like that guy)...and he was talking about all the tabloid nonsense he hears about himself...

For example, he said one tabloid reported him and Oprah dancing all night long...

He laughed and said, "Oprah goes to bed at 8 o'clock every night. And if you saw me try to dance...you'd laugh."

He was amused at the lies and supposed "quotes" people claim he says.

He was accused of being mean to his staff. He asked his staff if he was mean to them...

One camera guy came out with fake bruises and a broken (fake) tooth...

Just to tease him...

People, don't believe everything you read or hear...and only half of what you see...

[Guest Happy]

I was suprised to see the quotes, I was going to study what the founding fathers said, and this was the first site in the search. Do you know any good sites?

[martyr]

I can't recall the site that I really want to list, but hopefully will be able to find it by this weekend. As soon as I find it, I will be back in here. If I haven't posted by Sunday, PM me to remind me.

[Guest Happy]

...For example, he said one tabloid reported him and Oprah dancing all night long...

He laughed and said, "Oprah goes to bed at 8 o'clock every night. And if you saw me try to dance...you'd laugh."

He was amused at the lies and supposed "quotes" people claim he says.

It's true, Cats. I liked what Berlusconi said to the reporters: "When I see something in the paper that actually resembles me, I will be calling to thank you".

[Catsmeow]

I'd do a search on a Christian site..(and stay away from pagan ones)...

You might use Worthy Boards search engine as a start. Worthy Boards also gives a variety of links to other Christian sites.

Look, non-believers have their own agenda. If you aren't serving Christ, knowingly or unknowingly, you serve Satan.

Remember, there's an agenda. The more negative and shocking, the better it sells. Truth isn't important. Many people aren't interested in the truth. They feed on anything that tickles the ears.

Why do you think Jerry Springer and Jenny Jones does so well? Tabloid.

The agenda isn't truth. The agenda is ratings. Same on the web.

Also, remember the times in which we live. People are out for blood..period.

Ever see those "Judge" shows? People are out to make a buck anyway they can get it...if it means walking over the dead to get it, so be it.

A sign of the times...

Happy, consider this...

2 Tim 3:1 - 5

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient totheir parents, ungrateful, unholy, withouth love, unforgiveing, slanderous, withouth self-control, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God = having a form of godliness but denying it's power. Have nothing to do with them

[Crusader4Christ]

Actually, I read a book, written by a christian author, who discovered that

George Washignton was first a free mason, but eventually became a christian.

This is out of topic, but...

If you look at a one dollar bill ( US currency ), you will find that there is a pyramid with an eye on it. This is the "all-seeing eye", which is found on the freemasons' apron.

God bless you all.

[Catsmeow]

I believe that was added in the 1940's...the currency we have today wasn't the same design back in Washington's day...in fact, there was a variety of currencies circulating back in the days of our founding fathers.

Remember, there's was great division between the North and the South up until the mid 1800's. We also had confederate currencies, along with standard currencies of the Northern states. Even Texas was a republic - a separate entity until it finally was granted statehood.

I, for one, have seen numerous currencies circulated for the state for Florida during the early years...

I have no doubt our country has deteriorated during the past 100 years- and I'm sure the Masons have had their hand of influence in all aspects of our government...but back then...our nation was a godly nation.

God blessed us and what happened? We have continually gone downhill. The ingratitude of our people is mindboggling. We have been fed and tended by the Shepherd with loving and patient hands.

Remember, the many graces of our Lord flow from the godly devotion of our godly leaders. How sad..now that they are departed from this world, their memories are tarnished like reruns of Jerry Springer.

[Crusader4Christ]

Yes, the puritans. The puritans were true christians, were they not? I do believe the US was founded on christianity, but, there might have been some

contraversy.

I think you mean "your" nation, I ain't from the US ( but I'm close to the border. I'm about 30-45 mintues from Niagara Falls. )

Anyways, God bless you sis.

PS: I don't doubt that some of the founding Fathers of the US were involved

somehow in Freemasonry.