Church of Christ

[damar91]

Hello,

I have been a baptist since I was saved in 1989, and I have always been taught that you are saved once you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior, and that baptism was an act of obedience, although not required for salvation. The Church of Christ points to Mark 16:16 where it says if you are saved AND baptised, you will have eternal life. I have done both, but for others it may be a confusing point. Thanks for any input!

God Bless,

David

[EricH]

Mark 16:16 could easily be a reference to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and not water Baptism. It should also be noted that verses 9-20 in Mark 16 do not appear in 2 of the most trustworthy manuscripts (greek) of the NT. The doubtfulness of these verses makes it unwise to create a doctrine soley on the basis of what is found in these verses

[Khristeeanos]

I hope and pray that you are sincerely seeking the answer to this question.

Mark 16:16 cannot be talking about spirit baptism because that is the Great Commission! Read Matthew 28:18-20 and see that only water baptism can fit in the context. Otherwise, it is like God telling the apostles to do something that they cannot do!

What I am saying is God would be commanding Peter and Co. to spirit baptise which we all know and agree that no man can give the Holy Spirit - only God.

Besides, there are a lot more verses than Mark 16 that show baptism by immersion to be into Christ (how we are united with Christ) and this brings about the forgivenss of sins.

Matthew 28:18-20

Mark 16:15-16

John 3:3-5

Acts 2:38-39

Acts 22:16

Romans 6:3-4

1 Corinthians 12:13

Galatians 3:26-27

Ephesians 5:25-27

Colossians 2:11-13

Titus 3:5

1 Peter 3:21

Try reading over those verses.

And be aware that baptism is the work of GOD. Titus and Colossians both show baptism as the work of God, not man.

If you would like to read a few short articles on baptism, please click on the following two links:

http://www.christianstandard.com/pdfs/657.pdf

http://www.christianstandard.com/pdfs/681.pdf

[IreneM]

I go to a chruch of Christ and have had this discussion with the pastor

we chose to dissagree on this

the thief on the Cross was not baptised and there are many who do accept christ who can not get baptised for one reason or another they will not be in hell just becuase they did not get dunked or sprinkled in my opinion

Ask the Lord to give you His wisdom on this and then move on

In Christ

Irene M

[Mikeyjay]

Hello,

I have been a baptist since I was saved in 1989, and I have always been taught that you are saved once you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior, and that baptism was an act of obedience, although not required for salvation. The Church of Christ points to Mark 16:16 where it says if you are saved AND baptised, you will have eternal life. I have done both, but for others it may be a confusing point. Thanks for any input!

God Bless,

David

I believe as you do mate !!!

[MrSealedEternal]

The word baptism is not an English word but is the transliteration of the greek word "baptizo." I believe it was intentionally untranslated in the KJV to mislead people. King James was the

[Arthur Durnan]

The Scriptures are quite clear on "baptismal regeneration" as taught by "Churches of Christ" and many of the false cults as well. "Baptismal regeneration" involves but WATER on the OUTSIDE of the body. God calls for the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross and the application by faith of His shed BLOOD re the INSIDE, ie, the SOUL. "The redemption of the SOUL is precious." Baptism is but WATER which can never touch the heart. BLOOD is required. The BLOOD of the Lord Jesus Christ for sinners slain.

Thank You, Lord, for your all-atoning, once-for-all-time sacrifice!

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[wordsower]

Salvation by baptism is works and that is not the way to salvation.

Jesus+nothing=salvation.

Church of Christ don't believe in music either, they sound pretty boring to me

[Khristeeanos]

Why did not one person respond to my post?

It has been shown that baptism in water is into Christ for the remission of sins.

This is when and where God choses to save us and is evident clearly in the Word of God that this is HIS work and not a work of man.

Did anybody bother to read the links I posted?

[MrSealedEternal]

Why did not one person respond to my post?

It has been shown that baptism in water is into Christ for the remission of sins.

This is when and where God choses to save us and is evident clearly in the Word of God that this is HIS work and not a work of man.

Did anybody bother to read the links I posted?

I refuted your point before you made it. Baptizo is a Greek word that refers to one thing being immersed into something else. It was not translated in our early English Bibles because to properly translate it would have exposed the false teaching of sacramental salvation. The verses that say baptized in the Spirit, or baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, etc are saying that you need to become immersed into our Lord and Savior, and become part of His body by placing all of our faith in Him.

Romans 6:3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

Romans 6:4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Collosians 2:12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

1 Peter 3:21 And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

These are just a few of the numerous verses talking about being immersed into Christ Jesus through His atonement alone, by grace through faith. It is "not the removal of dirt from the flesh" (water) that saves us, but rather "an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" that saves us. It's deceiving because the Catholic and Anglican churches tried to fool the masses into believing that you needed them and their sacraments in order to be saved. If you read the Biblical accounts of water baptism, the gospel is always preached first, and then people come to faith in Christ and are born again, and then they perform the water ceremony as an outward profession of what has already occured within.

There are some verses that refer to the water ceremony, but those verses never say it can save you, and only occur after the person has come to a saving faith in Christ. Only being immersed into Christ will save you, and if you try to save yourself through ritualistic religion, which is what sacraments are, you will not be born again, or baptized in the Spirit of God, because your faith is in yourself rather than God.

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Edited December 8, 2005 by SealedEternal