Homosexuality is a sin!

[Smalcald]

WIP

Well I basically agree from a spiritual perspective.

I think though the reason is obvious, right now the gay movement is making great strides politically and culturally in normalizing gay sexual behavior in the US. No one is trying to say that gossiping or thievery is good an normal. There is no thief

[Pax]

I have a question for those who regularly post the anti-homosexuality topics.

Why? Why the need to continually post about this particular sin? I'm not being smart, I'm sincerely asking. Why this sin, but not several topics weekly condeming gossips, gluttons, thieves and other sinners?

How much can be said about it? What's the point of going over it and over it and over it?

Homosexuality is throw in our faces almost on a daily basis. Many Christians such as myself are fed up with this and like to take a stand against this horrible sin. Watch any show on t.v. and there will more than likely be a homosexual cast member who is portrayed either as a victim of society or in a positive light. Homosexuals have a very powerful lobby and its called Hollywood. They would like nothing more than to be viewed as a normal lifestyle and this attitude is affecting society, especially the younger generation. Homosexuality is also a much a more devastating sin than gossip or gluttany, although all are sins. This is why I believe this topic comes up so much on this board, and I think it is great to teach the truth, because you won't find it in to many other places.

[Pax]

WIP

Well I basically agree from a spiritual perspective.

I think though the reason is obvious, right now the gay movement is making great strides politically and culturally in normalizing gay sexual behavior in the US. No one is trying to say that gossiping or thievery is good an normal. There is no thief

[Guest desiree]

The sins of Sodom and Gomorrah are the sins of rape and perversion of both hetero as homosexuals and even animals are involved.

Well, YES these are dreadful sins but have nothing to do with a gay person who is true to his lover. Faithfulness, love and tender care have nothing to do with the above mentioned sins of Sodom and Gomorrah.

It is dreadful to see how gays are judged by all and also in church ..............they hear they are going for hell....my heart goes out to them. Let us be very careful with judging others and remember our Lord who said: judge not lest thou be judged.

[Pax]

The sins of Sodom and Gomorrah are the sins of rape and perversion of both hetero as homosexuals and even animals are involved.

Well, YES these are dreadful sins but have nothing to do with a gay person who is true to his lover. Faithfulness, love and tender care have nothing to do with the above mentioned sins of Sodom and Gomorrah.

It is dreadful to see how gays are judged by all and also in church ..............they hear they are going for hell....my heart goes out to them. Let us be very careful with judging others and remember our Lord who said: judge not lest thou be judged.

All thoughout the Bible homosexuality is a refered to as a sin, abomination, unnatural, shameful, perverse, etc.. It has nothing to do with how many partners a homosexual has. I would refer you back to the book of Genesis when God created man and women and how complementarity sexes reflect God's inner unity. You are also forgetting a very important key here and that is procreation. Two homosexual men or women involved in a relationship can't conceive children. This is part of being involved in a valid marriage, being open to life. Homosexuals are obviously not open to life. God commanded us to be fruitful and multiply.

You are also doing what most supporters of the sin of homosexuality do and that is call Christians judgmental and uncaring. I feel very sorry for homosexuals and would do what ever I could to help them, but allowing them to live in sin and hurt themselves as well as others is not being very loving. Calling a sin a sin is not being judgmental, saying that a person is going to hell for committing a sin or that they are a bad person is being judgmental. Throughout the Bible Jesus has compasion for many sinners, but also throughout the Bible Jesus hated sin. One of those sins was homosexuality.

[Smalcald]

I agree we should not judge individuals.

But Sodom and Gomorrah are not the reasons I would oppose same sex marriage or believe that people having sex with other people of the same sex is a sin.

In the New Testament both Jesus and Paul lay out what it is to lead a sexually pure life. First and foremost is that sex is to be expressed only within the context of a mutually faithful lifetime marriage, between a man and a women. Christ specifically talks about this how a man and a women leave their homes and become one flesh, and how fornication is one of the things which proceed from our hearts which defile us. We can look at first Romans and see very specific descriptions of gay sexual lust and the problems with that, and we can further see throughout the epistles the problems with fornication and adultery, which would include two men or two women having sex with each other.

Now, does that make a man who is having sex with another man evil, even if they love each other? No I don't think so at all, no more evil than anyone else who is having sex outside of the way God intended human beings to express their sexual desires, which is a good portion of the heterosexual population, including self proclaimed Christians. But we cannot simply change what are Gods intentions for sex because a group of people doesn

[Guest NewPilgrim]

For the sake of brevaty I'd like to summarise a few of the last posts.

Basically, homosexuality is getting bashed around alot by christians right now because its a practise that many lobbyists are trying to have condoned and legally acknowledged as orderly and acceptable behaviour. Thats simply not right.

As christians, we address many many sins on these posts, murder and capital punishment is another at the forefront right now. Whatever sin people are shouting about "make it RIGHT!!" then we will dutifully shout "it will NEVER be RIGHT!!" twice as loud and twice as clear. The hard part for us is to somehow show to our opposition that God's love is right at the centre of it all.

My other point is this. I get sick of people throwing the "Judge not" passage at others like some kind of soaking ball of toilet paper to shut them up. The majority of people who like to chuck this passage around as an excuse to be leniant, don't have any clear understanding of what the passage actually means. The sort that usually read the black and white from start to finish only once and dont let it trully sink in.

The passage says.... Judge not, lest YOU be judged, for with what MEASURE you judge, YOU also shall be judged.

How can you remove the splinter from your brothers eye BEFORE you first remove the plank from your own.

We should judge CAREFULLY and RIGHTEOUSLY is the actual implication of the passage, judging matters which we can not ourselves be accused of. The other main stipulation of judgement of others through the NT is that we judge our own, but not unbelievers whom we instead give the gospel and the reason for it.

In short; Those most likely not to judge carefully and righteously are those with reason to be fearful of righteous judgement and those who may be lacking in faithfulness and fearful of being a hypocryte. What does that say about those of us not willing to make righteous judgements?

Edited December 12, 2005 by NewPilgrim

[kittylover0991]

"Faithful are the wounds of a friend"

As said previous, love the sinner but hate the sin. It is wrong to be homosexual or whatever kind there is other than straight AND it is wrong ot practice it. There are also not a minority as discussed in another ongoing thread right now. The thing is, if we love someone, we are going to do what we can to help them. For instance:

If there was a bridge up ahead that was broken, would you not tell your friend about it so they woudlnt get hurt or die? If they tried to go anyways, woudltn' you do whatever was in your power to stop them out of love?

It is the same with sin. Men and women are on their way down the broken bridge and are on their way into the depths of hell. We need to tell them with love that it is wrong. Why? Because sin condemns us to hell. If they are saved, we need to take them aside with brotherly or sisterly love and explain to them what hte bible says and follow up by praying for them and helping them. Faithful are the wounds of a friend, the bible says. Love them, but tell them the truth.

[nebula]

Jack7 -

I need to know something -

Who is Jesus to you?

[apothanein kerdos]

Homosexuality is man acting within his fallen state and nature. What in the world is wrong in pointing this out?