End Times??

[Guest chris414]

I hear A LOT of people everywhere I turn talking about the end times, and I am just wondering what specifically are they, or you talking about. I'm not arguing that it isn't the end times, but what new developements have come about that make you feel this way. This is in no way an argument, I just want to get some perspective on this subject. I see morality getting worse and worse, but beyond that I don't see much else. thanks in advance

Aaron

This is something we (as Christians) should be careful about. I believe we are seeing prophecy fulfilled today, but there are still some unfulfilled prophecies in the Bible. Every prophecy must be fulfilled before the return of Christ. If every time something remotely prophetic and biblical happens we preach the end of the world sermon, people aren't going to pay attention when the world really is drawing to an end.

One of the signs of the end times said in the Bible (i can get a reference if you want) is the increase in violent weather. This has been especially true over the last year with tornadoes, tsunamis and the like. Just because we have had a particularly bad year doesn't mean that that prophecy has been fulfilled completely. God might intend for the weather to get a lot worse still before He returns.

Some Christians are also getting freacked out about the suggestion of microchips being embedded in either your arm or forehead to replace credit cards. Again, this is a definate step toward fulfilling the prophecy that the antichrist will force all people (Christians are to refuse) to have his mark on either their arm or forehead. Without this mark, we will be unable to buy or sell goods. Just because we have the technology in place, it doesn't mean the prophecy is now fulfilled. It may still be many years before we see the introduction and practical use of this technology. It is merely a step to seeing the prophecy fulfilled.

With many of the prophecies in the Bible, I believe we are in the process of watching prophecy be fulfilled, not looking back on them.

[Christ's Free Servant]

Ezekiel 12:21-28:

"'The word of the LORD came to me:

[Guest charlie]

I don't think we're living in end times anymore; unless it's a man-made end time.

Yes, there are problems but look at the past; things have been much, much worse in the past than they are now. We have electricity, food, and medical breakthroughs that have put life expectancy at an all time high. There've always been murders, rapes, gangs of some sort, pedophilia (didn't get talked about) etc. In the past, Christians killed and tortured each other by the boatload for witchcraft and all other kinds of things that offended the "ruling clergy". As for natural disasters just turn on the weather channel; massive disasters that have killed people by the thousands are nothing new on planet earth.

I think some people try to promote the idea of this being the "end time" for a whole lot of reasons (some greedy, some sincere) and the idea "catches" like a mental virus because people get excited/panicked and don't stop to calmly think about it. I was really into this stuff for several years; looking back I have to say, what a waste of my time!

I do think we need to beware of those who may try to use Daniel and Revelation as some sort of guide for conducting foreign policy; now THAT could lead to WWIII.

In the meantime conduct yourself as if this were your last day on earth; don't worry and be happy.

[2nd2n1roc]

In all reality the End Times began the moment Jesus died...we could even become even more technical in saying they began the moment Adam sinned. They are merely refering to the birth pangs prior to the return of Christ. Others put the interpretation behind them as "substantially close to the tribulation", which is the last 7 years in which this world will exist in its fallen state. Some believe that we are utterly close. I tend to believe that we have quite a ways to go before we need to expect the return of Christ.

I wonder how many people on the planet share your beliefs ?

How does people who died benefit by seeing signs of End Times ?

How do I benefit today, by seing those signs, if End Times is not going to be in my life time ?

Why would God gave us written word about signs of End Times, and told us to be ready, if we

are going to die ?

If I force myself to believe what you believe, the only possible conclusion would be that

God hates me.

much love !

Peter aka second to none rock

[Christ's Free Servant]

In all reality the End Times began the moment Jesus died...we could even become even more technical in saying they began the moment Adam sinned. They are merely refering to the birth pangs prior to the return of Christ. Others put the interpretation behind them as "substantially close to the tribulation", which is the last 7 years in which this world will exist in its fallen state. Some believe that we are utterly close. I tend to believe that we have quite a ways to go before we need to expect the return of Christ.

I wonder how many people on the planet share your beliefs ?

How does people who died benefit by seeing signs of End Times ?

How do I benefit today, by seing those signs, if End Times is not going to be in my life time ?

Why would God gave us written word about signs of End Times, and told us to be ready, if we

are going to die ?

If I force myself to believe what you believe, the only possible conclusion would be that

God hates me.

much love !

Peter aka second to none rock

Peter,

Be encouarged! I see nothing in what Kerdos believes that should lead you to come to the conclusion that God hates you. For one, it is his belief, not yours. We are all free to believe what we choose to believe and this website gives us the opportunity to express our beliefs. He was merely expressing his opinion.

Now, to the subject of End Times, Kerdos is correct in stating that if End Times consists of signs of Christ's return, then we would have to conclude that those signs began at the moment of Christ's death, and perhaps, as he stated, from the beginning of time, for there were many, many prophecies in the OT concerning his return even before he had come the first time and many that came true even before Christ was born.

However, if we interpret End Times as the specific signs mentioned in Matthew 24 and other passages in both the Old and New Testaments that seem to predict the final years before Christ's return, then I think we have to look at the signs around us to see if they fit with the End Times prophecies to help us in determining whether or not we are in the End Times.

As recorded in the book of Acts (chapter 2), on the day of Pentecost when the disciples were filled with the Holy Ghost and spoke in other languages (the languages of the people present) there were those who criticized them saying they were drunk. Peter spoke up and said,

"Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15These men are not drunk, as you suppose. It

[EricH]

I don't think we're living in end times anymore; unless it's a man-made end time.

Yes, there are problems but look at the past; things have been much, much worse in the past than they are now. We have electricity, food, and medical breakthroughs that have put life expectancy at an all time high. There've always been murders, rapes, gangs of some sort, pedophilia (didn't get talked about) etc. In the past, Christians killed and tortured each other by the boatload for witchcraft and all other kinds of things that offended the "ruling clergy". As for natural disasters just turn on the weather channel; massive disasters that have killed people by the thousands are nothing new on planet earth.

I think some people try to promote the idea of this being the "end time" for a whole lot of reasons (some greedy, some sincere) and the idea "catches" like a mental virus because people get excited/panicked and don't stop to calmly think about it. I was really into this stuff for several years; looking back I have to say, what a waste of my time!

I do think we need to beware of those who may try to use Daniel and Revelation as some sort of guide for conducting foreign policy; now THAT could lead to WWIII.

In the meantime conduct yourself as if this were your last day on earth; don't worry and be happy.

So Charlie,

Do you believe that Jesus will return someday?

[apothanein kerdos]

In all reality the End Times began the moment Jesus died...we could even become even more technical in saying they began the moment Adam sinned. They are merely refering to the birth pangs prior to the return of Christ. Others put the interpretation behind them as "substantially close to the tribulation", which is the last 7 years in which this world will exist in its fallen state. Some believe that we are utterly close. I tend to believe that we have quite a ways to go before we need to expect the return of Christ.

I wonder how many people on the planet share your beliefs ?

How does people who died benefit by seeing signs of End Times ?

How do I benefit today, by seing those signs, if End Times is not going to be in my life time ?

Why would God gave us written word about signs of End Times, and told us to be ready, if we

are going to die ?

If I force myself to believe what you believe, the only possible conclusion would be that

God hates me.

much love !

Peter aka second to none rock

Christianity doesn't center around you. Christ gave these prophecies 2,000 years ago. One constant fact about Christians is that all of them have died. THis doesn't prove hate...death is the best thing that can happen to a believer.

Just because God won't return in our lifetime doesn't mean He hates you. The signs are there simply for hope, that His return is closer than it was yesterday. All people have seen the signs of His return...don't feel like we're anything special. Christians die everyday...does this mean God hates them?

[2nd2n1roc]

In all reality the End Times began the moment Jesus died...we could even become even more technical in saying they began the moment Adam sinned. They are merely refering to the birth pangs prior to the return of Christ. Others put the interpretation behind them as "substantially close to the tribulation", which is the last 7 years in which this world will exist in its fallen state. Some believe that we are utterly close. I tend to believe that we have quite a ways to go before we need to expect the return of Christ.

I wonder how many people on the planet share your beliefs ?

How does people who died benefit by seeing signs of End Times ?

How do I benefit today, by seing those signs, if End Times is not going to be in my life time ?

Why would God gave us written word about signs of End Times, and told us to be ready, if we

are going to die ?

If I force myself to believe what you believe, the only possible conclusion would be that

God hates me.

much love !

Peter aka second to none rock

Christianity doesn't center around you. Christ gave these prophecies 2,000 years ago. One constant fact about Christians is that all of them have died. THis doesn't prove hate...death is the best thing that can happen to a believer.

Just because God won't return in our lifetime doesn't mean He hates you. The signs are there simply for hope, that His return is closer than it was yesterday. All people have seen the signs of His return...don't feel like we're anything special. Christians die everyday...does this mean God hates them?

I am not a Christian, and you did not answer my questions.

much love !

Edited December 27, 2005 by 2nd2n1roc

[Ovedya]

In all reality the End Times began the moment Jesus died...we could even become even more technical in saying they began the moment Adam sinned. They are merely refering to the birth pangs prior to the return of Christ. Others put the interpretation behind them as "substantially close to the tribulation", which is the last 7 years in which this world will exist in its fallen state. Some believe that we are utterly close. I tend to believe that we have quite a ways to go before we need to expect the return of Christ.

I wonder how many people on the planet share your beliefs ?

How does people who died benefit by seeing signs of End Times ?

How do I benefit today, by seing those signs, if End Times is not going to be in my life time ?

Why would God gave us written word about signs of End Times, and told us to be ready, if we

are going to die ?

If I force myself to believe what you believe, the only possible conclusion would be that

God hates me.

much love !

Peter aka second to none rock

Christianity doesn't center around you. Christ gave these prophecies 2,000 years ago. One constant fact about Christians is that all of them have died. THis doesn't prove hate...death is the best thing that can happen to a believer.

Just because God won't return in our lifetime doesn't mean He hates you. The signs are there simply for hope, that His return is closer than it was yesterday. All people have seen the signs of His return...don't feel like we're anything special. Christians die everyday...does this mean God hates them?

I am not a Christian, and you did not answer my questions.

much love !

You are not a Christian? Then why are you here?

[apothanein kerdos]

In all reality the End Times began the moment Jesus died...we could even become even more technical in saying they began the moment Adam sinned. They are merely refering to the birth pangs prior to the return of Christ. Others put the interpretation behind them as "substantially close to the tribulation", which is the last 7 years in which this world will exist in its fallen state. Some believe that we are utterly close. I tend to believe that we have quite a ways to go before we need to expect the return of Christ.

I wonder how many people on the planet share your beliefs ?

How does people who died benefit by seeing signs of End Times ?

How do I benefit today, by seing those signs, if End Times is not going to be in my life time ?

Why would God gave us written word about signs of End Times, and told us to be ready, if we

are going to die ?

If I force myself to believe what you believe, the only possible conclusion would be that

God hates me.

much love !

Peter aka second to none rock

Christianity doesn't center around you. Christ gave these prophecies 2,000 years ago. One constant fact about Christians is that all of them have died. THis doesn't prove hate...death is the best thing that can happen to a believer.

Just because God won't return in our lifetime doesn't mean He hates you. The signs are there simply for hope, that His return is closer than it was yesterday. All people have seen the signs of His return...don't feel like we're anything special. Christians die everyday...does this mean God hates them?

I am not a Christian, and you did not answer my questions.

much love !

You are not a Christian? Then why are you here?

ditto