Question About Sexual Stuff

[Iryssa]

It has been mentioned that a LICENSE is required for a LEGAL marriage. Also saying that a Marriage certificate is also required can be very misleading. A license is by definition: Permission to do something without which it would be illegal to do. It is not illegal to get married without a license. The state issued marriage license is a very recent invention of the state to collect revenue. The governmental agencies would like you to believe that they have the power to regulate marriage, and they do if you ask their permission to marry. Before WWI most people did not ask the state to give them permission to marry. The issue of the marriage license is huge, to big to be discussed here.

The other think I wanted to touch upon was the Marriage certificate. Before the government got involved, a certificate was just a piece of paper that had a declaration of the intent to marry and the witnesses' signatures. Very often this was done in a bible. You may have a bible with a place to record marriages. All that is required to be married is to have a statement of the intent to marry and 2 witnesses. I do not know of any State that requires anything else. And this is fully recognized in the courts.

LT

Well, part of the reason the government wants people to get marriage liscences IS for legal purposes. In my province, for example, it is illegal for a girl of less than fourteen to be married. A girl of 14-16 may be married with her parent's/guardian's consent, and a girl over 16 requires none of these. When marriage is regulated in that sense, it is for said girl's protection, not just some random idea to get people to give the government money. When you apply for the marriage license, this is the kind of thing they check for, as well as whether you are closely related (though I've heard they don't check that in some places), whether you're already married (polygamy is illegal in most of North America), and the like. When you have not received this marriage license (at least here), your marriage is not legally recognised. This might not seem to be a huge deal at first, but it would be if you tried to file your taxes as a married person, for example.

[eric]

I have to go along with Shiloh and Rusty angel on this topic.

It's the same on all threads concerning immorality. People come on asking the same questions about what is sin and what is not and when they get the truth from mature bible believing christians they try and justify what they are up to by sidestepping or arguing the point.

Oh they will usually get someone to side with them, but those someones are generally trapped in the same situation themselves. What part of NO don't they understand if they are supposed to be christian.

Do these people only read the bible to find loop holes. Isn't God's word good enough for them?

There are no loop holes in God's word. As shiloh said the phrase "in God's eyes" is wishful thinking. You get rid of one and then sleep with another "in God's eyes?" If you can't make a commitment before God publically, you are not making a commitment at all.

cheers,

eric.

[kittylover0991]

Hey,

Just wanted to let you know that I am praying for you that you would get the answer your heart has been asking and that God would give you rest in His promises

"Oh soul are you weary and troubled? No light in teh darkness you see? There's light for a look at the Savior. Turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in his wonderful face and things of earth will grow strangely dim in the light of His glory and grace"

You'll be fine Jesus said he would never leave us nor forsake us

[kittylover0991]

I have to go along with Shiloh and Rusty angel on this topic.

It's the same on all threads concerning immorality. People come on asking the same questions about what is sin and what is not and when they get the truth from mature bible believing christians they try and justify what they are up to by sidestepping or arguing the point.

Oh they will usually get someone to side with them, but those someones are generally trapped in the same situation themselves. What part of NO don't they understand if they are supposed to be christian.

Do these people only read the bible to find loop holes. Isn't God's word good enough for them?

There are no loop holes in God's word. As shiloh said the phrase "in God's eyes" is wishful thinking. You get rid of one and then sleep with another "in God's eyes?" If you can't make a commitment before God publically, you are not making a commitment at all.

cheers,

eric.

Amen. It is sad when people find out the answer to what the bible says about something and then turn to what is wrong. Truly, it is our sin nature.. but God is here and Jesus saved us from eternal damnation. However, every part of life is a growing process.. it is a step-by-step process that goes on for the rest of our short lives. That process will be over soon and those that have accepted Christ will be in heaven someday. Yes, as Christians, many times.. we hear the right thing and go for the wrong anyways. That will always bring pain and suffering, and spiritual discomfort. However, we need to get back up after those times. Not to mention, we shouldn't automatically think that because someone else we know didn't listen to godly advice that someone else won't. I know that previously, I had gone to my youth pastor so many times and asked him what should be done in a situation. I can also say that 9 times out of 10, I went with what I wanted and suffered the consequences. He noticed the pattern and spoke to me a little about it. Sure, I knew what was right.. and I went with what was wrong. however, sometiems, one must go through the trials and tribulations of doing what is wrong follow what is right.

I know I learn better from experience than someone tellings me. However, there are many cases where one cannot go back on those decisions. This, I am sorry to say, is one of those situations. Many times in situations like this, a decision is made that one cannot go back on and then suffers from the consequences. I am just praying that whoever is in this situation would follow what the bible says and not what man has to say. Please be careful and please, before you make any decisions(whether you personally are in this situation or have a friend in this situation).. please do some research. When I say research, I mean search the word of God trusting that He will show you the answer. He will telll you what is right I would trust Him more than man anyday God Bless You

With sisterly love in Christ Jesus,

Crystal

Prov 3:5-6

1 Tim 4:12

[ink_spot]

I agree. If you look at the Bible as a way to prove your point then you're sure to find a loop, but you'll rarely find truth. We should instead approach the Bible looking for truth and nothing more. No justifications and no expectations for the ball to roll in favor of a bahavior we probably already know is wrong. Read the bible w/ an open mind and heart....only expecting to find God.

[Smalcald]

But maybe we are all jumping to conclusions about what DOK meant?

I mean is dating for a long period of time without sexual immorality a sin? I don't think so, for example maybe her "other stuff" is kissing, hugging and making out? That is not sin for an unmarried couple to do.

We need to be specific, I know this is a Christian board but people do need bright lines, I know I did when I was young. My dad said anything that would require one or both parties to take off their pants is a sin (for an unmarried couple) I think that advice still holds.

If someone does not want to marry or for whatever reason does not feel that they can make that type of commitment and can live without sexual immorality, I would find it kind of odd, but at the same time I don't know if it is some sort of sin.

As far as being married and what that means, the Law of God comes before the law of the government for us. So if one cannot be given legal recognition for a marriage in a particular circumstance, but has a religious ceremony which includes a public lifelong vow of faithfulness and witnesses to that effect, I believe that would be marriage.

However in the US this is not the case today, if you can spare 20 minutes down at the court house you can get a legal marriage, it is actually too easy in my opinion. Thus if someone would not want to do that, given the incredible legal benefits of marriage, I would be quite suspicious, it usually just means they are not ready to be married and don't want the legal ramifications when they leave the relationship, but of course want the sexual benefits of a marriage without the obligations or vow of lifelong faithfulness. It is an old old story played out over and over again, "we don't need that piece of paper, we are married in the eyes of God" etc.

[camisseat]

My parents were never legally married...but they did have a religious ceromony. They professed their love to a group of people and promised to be faithful under God. At the time marriage wasn't an option because of where they were (in africa). When they got home they never legally married because they had lived in Africa for many years as a married couple. They had their ceromony and religious leader declare them a couple. I don't think it even crossed their mind to get anything more.

I feel that God honors that commitment. That's how I see being married under God. It's not just a certificate, although that too is important.

But I don't think people understood what I was getting at. Legal marraige is very important. In this day and age if you have the option of being legally married then take it, take it, take it. That's the most logical and Godly thing to do. But some don't have that option, like my parents, (When I used the slave example it was just an example...i know people don't have the road blocks that slaves had w/ marriage...that was just an example) But if you don't have that option then I don't think it's un-Godly or any less of a marriage then one that happens in a chaple with a pastor and family.

Hi ink_spot,

I am just curious. In which african country were your parents and when was the marriage? Because my parents were married in 1947 in Mali, West Africa, and I even have a copy of their marriage certificate for administrative purposes. I am not trying to say that they could have gotten a certificate; places are different; a small village is very different from a big town, not in Africa alone.

I am from a country where most men can marry up to 5 women if they choose to because of their muslim faith, but they still get 5 marriage certificates and each time the bride must sign that she allows her husband to be polygam(to have several wifes). But I am sure that in some very far villages deep in the country, they might just see the chief of the village and that's it!

What is worrying about Africa is the way getting papers is easy not the opposite. I just do not want people to get the wrong idea about Africa and I like to explain things.

Peace!

Camisseat