Seeking an answer

[Guest WaitingOne]

:!!!: This is my first post. I have read many of your post and I'm drawn to your knowledge and love of the Lord Jesus. Thank you for all that you write, in this time we need answers and there is much to think about. With that, maybe you can provide some insight into this verse! 20 Then Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following, who also had leaned on His breast at the supper, and said, "Lord, who is the one who betrays you?" 21 Peter, seeing him said to Jesus, "But Lord, what about this man?" 22 Jesus said to him, " If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? This is written at the breakfast after Jesus died and rose. I take this to mean to John could be alive until the 2nd coming. I'm sure many of you have studied so much more than myself, but I would appreciate your comments! Thanks for your help!!!

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings WaitingOne,

Welcome to the forum, always good to see a new face in the crowd. In regards to your question, we must not overlook the subsequent verse because it is offered as an answer to the question whether John would remain alive till the Lord's 2nd coming:

John 21:23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

The implication is that John WOULD DIE, but that particular point in the coversation was NOT what was being talked about and was probably intended for hyperbole.

Does that help?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[jesussaves]

In order to rightly divide this verse you must go back to the 13th chapter of John and begin reading at 21-26.

Peter was not referring to John the beloved in chapter 21.

John 13:23 says "...one of His disciples (coma) whom He loved." The Lord wanted to make it clear that He loved Judas. He wanted to make it clear that He loved ALL the disciples.

He was betrayed by someone He loved, someone He called friend, someone who lived with Him and even supped with Him.

[nebula]

John 21:23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

The implication is that John WOULD DIE, but that particular point in the coversation was NOT what was being talked about and was probably intended for hyperbole.

Welcome to the forums!

Just to do a little add-on, the implication seems to be along the lines of,

"His fate is not your concern" (because Jesus informed Peter of his own fate, and Peter likewise asked about John), "I just want you to follow Me."

Does that make a little more sense?

[BlindSeeker]

The following is from an old thread of mine about Matthew 24 that is no longer available. I believe it will answer your question if you care to take the time to read through it. I will, of course, answer any further questions you may have regarding this information . . .

• Matthew 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
  30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
  
  Now there was then a great number of false prophets suborned by the tyrants to impose on the people, who denounced this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed up above fear and care by such hopes. Now a man that is in adversity does easily comply with such promises; for when such a seducer makes him believe that he shall be delivered from those miseries which oppress him, then it is that the patient is full of hopes of such his deliverance.
  3. Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these deceivers, and such as belied God himself; while they did not attend nor give credit to the signs that were so evident, and did so plainly foretell their future desolation, but, like men infatuated, without either eyes to see or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that God made to them. Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet, that continued a whole year. Thus also before the Jews' rebellion, and before those commotions which preceded the war, when the people were come in great crowds to the feast of unleavened bread, on the eighth day of the month Xanthicus, [Nisan,] and at the ninth hour of the night, so great a light shone round the altar and the holy house, that it appeared to be bright day time; which lasted for half an hour. This light seemed to be a good sign to the unskillful, but was so interpreted by the sacred scribes, as to portend those events that followed immediately upon it. At the same festival also, a heifer, as she was led by the high priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb in the midst of the temple. Moreover, the eastern gate of the inner [court of the] temple, which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor, which was there made of one entire stone, was seen to be opened of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night. Now those that kept watch in the temple came hereupon running to the captain of the temple, and told him of it; who then came up thither, and not without great difficulty was able to shut the gate again. This also appeared to the vulgar to be a very happy prodigy, as if God did thereby open them the gate of happiness. But the men of learning understood it, that the security of their holy house was dissolved of its own accord, and that the gate was opened for the advantage of their enemies. So these publicly declared that the signal foreshowed the desolation that was coming upon them. Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the temple,] as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence."
  
  It is feasible Jesus was involved in this historical documented comining of "chariots and troops of [angelic] soldiers in their armor . . . among the clouds" at the judgement of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. at which time the Apostle John was still alive . . .
  
  Remember also the words of Jesus . . . spoken to the high priest?
  
  
  • Mt 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
    

64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye [the high priest to whom Jesus was speaking] see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Peace,

BlindSeeker